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bluefxstc

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Rode an MX, bought an EX
« on: April 14, 2018, 06:37:46 AM »

This is my impression of the 2017 Alta Redshift MX that I have had as a demo over the past couple of days (4/4-4/6).  I got the bike from Moto One in Nampa and Boise, ID.  They are a great Alta/KTM dealer and I highly recommend them for parts and accessories.  I haven’t had any work done on my bike there so I don’t know, good or bad on the shop, but they are great folks so it is probably good.  (https://motoonektm.com/).  It might also help to say I have been interested in, and driving, electric vehicles for years.  I converted my first car to electric in 1995 and currently drive a 300zx which I converted to electric as my daily driver.  I am a fan of electric so this may not be a completely objective review.  I am also closer to 60 than I am to 50 so if you are young, maxed out and like big air, that is not me so this may not tell you much.  I am a trail rider who normally rides a DRZ 400, so if I can get an electric motorcycle that will do 40-60 miles of forest service roads and single track in the Idaho mountains, I am great.  It would fulfil 90% of my riding with fewer maintenance items and help fulfill my environment goals.  I am also data driven so I tried to collect objective info to make a decision on which I will share.  The post may be a little long, sorry. 
Wednesday April 4, 2018

Picked up the bike around 1:00 and headed south to ride in the Owyhee Mountains at Reynolds Creek (See ride 1 GPX track, route picture and altitude graph).  I went out with some friends and my son.  There was a KTM 530, KTM 350, DRZ 400 and the Alta.  The Alta had no problem keeping up.  It is fast.  I thought it was an amazing ride, going up hills was so easy not having to worry about slipping the clutch or what gear you were in.  It was awesome to ride ( I think I already said that once).  I thought the suspension was great although my neighbor with the KTM 350 didn’t like the suspension.  In Alta’s defense it was a demo bike with 1000 miles on it so there was no customizing and it had probably been ridden pretty hard as a MX bike.  Over the day we rode 22 miles over a couple of hours and used about 2/3 of the pack by the gauge.  In general, I only rode in mode 1 which I thought was more than enough (refer back to closer to 60 than I am to 50), but we all tried in in mode 4 just to say we did.  If I do buy a bike I can see me using mode 1-3 but not 4 as I don’t need it for the riding I do.  When I got home I charged the bike up to full (I think it was full when I got it).  The charger drew around 1330 watts from a 120 outlet, provided 3.79 KW to the charger (measured by a kilowatt meter) over about 3 & 1/2 hours or about 165 W per mile.   I am not too sure of the relevance of the KW provided since the charger does have some inefficiencies (probably 3-5%) and the bike does run the cooling system while charging.  These are probably minimal, but the power provided to the battery is something less that total power used by the charger.  I was a little surprised how high that was but we were in sand and gravel and climbing and descending so that takes more.  As a comparison my car is about 350-400 W per mile, but that is on pavement.

See part 2 for rest of ride report.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2018, 09:08:54 AM by bluefxstc »
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bluefxstc

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Re: Rode an MX, bought an EX
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2018, 06:40:46 AM »

Here is day 2

Thursday April 5, 2018

Rode in the desert south of Boise.  I don’t have a GPS track of this route as my son didn’t go on my DRZ with the GPS.  I did include a screen print from my Spot Tracker.  Not as good as the GPS track, but better than nothing.  It is a pretty flat area with small hills, probably less than 200-300 feet in elevation change and any one time.  For this ride it was a total of 43 miles through pretty flat terrain.  Not a lot of sand or lose dirt, but I did end up running through some fairly thick piles of tumble weeds that went on for 10-500 feet.  Awesome ride, see some of the pics.  There is picture in there of a hill I climbed and that is where the bike really shined.  It is so easy to climb a hill with electric.  No worries of gear selection, being in the power band, no running start, just slowly pick a line and start up.  The bike just pulls and pulls.  Incredibly easy.  On this ride the suspension did seem a little soft.  A couple of times going over goffer holes it seemed to bottom out so tuning would be needed if it was my bike.  When I returned home the battery gauge was empty, and I mean empty.  It was past flashing at me and no hash marks showed on the gauge.  I didn’t notice any performance drop with the dead battery indication, but I was just riding it to the barn to charge it so I didn’t get on it.   The kilowatt metter showed it took 5.57kw, but part of that went to running the system and charger inefficiencies.  These would be small relative to the battery so I figure around 5.5kw which calculates out to be about 130w per mile.  Substantially better than yesterday’s ride in the soft sand.

Summation:

The good:

1.  Bike easy to ride.  It is a blast from beginner to expert.  Everyone can have fun on this bike.
2.  Good suspension and handling, although I think the demo I had needed some suspension tuning.  It had over 1000 miles and they were probably pretty hard miles being an MX version.
3.  Awesome power.  Bike just keeps pulling and pulling to about 60 mph then it seem to slow a little.
4.  High quality bike
5.  Lack of noise.  I was able to put ear buds in with slightly higher than normal volume and listen to tunes the entire ride.

The bad:

1.  The range.  At a max range of about 40 miles it is barely acceptable and will require me changing how I ride.  Where I could just ride from my house on my DRZ and do 60 to 80 miles with 40 of that off road, with the Alta I will have to truck it.
2.  Rear brake seemed sensitive, but that could just be me getting used to the bike.  I did only have 2 rides and a total of about 65 miles.
Wishes
3.  More range.  I understand the battery weight tradeoffs concept, but a 7-8kw pack would be awesome.  That would give a solid 50-60 miles of trail riding.  Hopefully in the future, as battery technology advances, Alta will develop a replacement battery that will bolt in with more power.
4.  It would be nice to be able to increase the amount of regen braking on the fly.  A switch similar the map switch where you could increase or decrease the amount of regen on the fly would be awesome.  You could even use the same switch with one additional switch to determine what the switch was controlling.  Several times when going down steep hills I had to use the rear brake to slow me down.  It would be nice to be able to increase the amount of regen to capture that energy.  Probably wouldn’t make much difference in over all range, but it would hurt.
5.  Key location and size.  Probably not a problem for the MX version, as the key probably never leaves the bike on a MX, but on the EX it is small and the location makes it hard for a key chain.  The key is located on the side of what would be the gas tank on most internal combustion motorcycles.  It is a small key set in a small indentation so when you slide around you don’t hit it.  It is well protected which is good for a MX bike.  On the EX, because the key is so small, if you are going to ride it in town you might want to park it and take the key with you so you need a key chain, or at least I think I do.  The indentation for the key is only slightly larger than the key, so with a normal key chain, it difficult to turn.  I did find a key chain with a small ring so it is acceptable, but moving the key up by the bars or integrating it with the display would be better in my opinion.  Small thing, but an area that could be improved on an already great bike.

Overall, a great bike and a great couple of days of riding.  What turned out to be a free demo of the motorcycle ended up costing me a new Alta Redshift EX that I picked up Saturday (4/7).   I think that is what would be called a win for everyone.
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Re: Rode an MX, bought an EX
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2018, 06:46:47 AM »

Here is a pic of the hill from day 2.  Pretty rocky, but on the Alta so easy.  Just slowly go up.  Bike is like a tractor, it just keeps on pulling.  the mountains in the background are where I was on  day one of the ride.
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Re: Rode an MX, bought an EX
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2018, 03:12:27 PM »

Welcome to the club. I have the EX as well. Great machine , and sounds like it will serve your needs very well.

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Re: Rode an MX, bought an EX
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2018, 07:47:43 PM »

Thanks for the taking the time and effort to publish a great ride and bike review.
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