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Author Topic: 2012 Zeros Recalled!  (Read 22302 times)

Richard230

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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2018, 06:24:57 AM »

As I was riding around today on my Zero, a thought occurred to me: I wonder what will happen to all of the motors, Sevcon controllers, contactor switches, frames, wheels, brakes and other expensive chassis and electronic parts on those 2012 Zeros after the batteries are removed and recycled? I hope they are put back on the market for DIY use, instead of just being tossed into the dumpster because that is what will make liability lawyers happy.  ???
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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2018, 06:57:58 AM »

You mean, you hope they don't treat them like HD treated the Buell bikes after the demise of that experiment?
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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2018, 05:46:32 PM »

You mean, you hope they don't treat them like HD treated the Buell bikes after the demise of that experiment?


To be fair, thats how Harley dealerships treated Buell DURING the experiment.
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Richard230

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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2018, 08:40:19 PM »

You mean, you hope they don't treat them like HD treated the Buell bikes after the demise of that experiment?


That was a sad day, alright.  I have a friend that bought a used riding-school Blast to add to his 23-motorcycle collection a couple of years ago.  It cost him about $3000 for the bike and another $3000 in parts to rebuild it so that it would shift gears again.  I rode the thing around for a few miles and much prefer my Royal Enfield to the Blast.  An interesting experiment, but not a very good motorcycle.
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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2018, 09:29:58 PM »


That was a sad day, alright.  I have a friend that bought a used riding-school Blast to add to his 23-motorcycle collection a couple of years ago.  It cost him about $3000 for the bike and another $3000 in parts to rebuild it so that it would shift gears again.  I rode the thing around for a few miles and much prefer my Royal Enfield to the Blast.  An interesting experiment, but not a very good motorcycle.

The blast wasnt a buell.
the blast was something forced upon buell to carry along the harley idea that buells were "beginner bikes" and oneday riders would "step up" to a harley.
it was a shitty slam together to build a bike that people could ride to pass their riding test... because the giant piece of shit bikes they sell cant pass most riding tests without intermediate or higher skill and most harley riders cant ride worth a shit.

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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2018, 10:58:43 PM »


That was a sad day, alright.  I have a friend that bought a used riding-school Blast to add to his 23-motorcycle collection a couple of years ago.  It cost him about $3000 for the bike and another $3000 in parts to rebuild it so that it would shift gears again.  I rode the thing around for a few miles and much prefer my Royal Enfield to the Blast.  An interesting experiment, but not a very good motorcycle.

The blast wasnt a buell.
the blast was something forced upon buell to carry along the harley idea that buells were "beginner bikes" and oneday riders would "step up" to a harley.
it was a shitty slam together to build a bike that people could ride to pass their riding test... because the giant piece of shit bikes they sell cant pass most riding tests without intermediate or higher skill and most harley riders cant ride worth a shit.

Could you share your genuine feelings, MrDude?  HAHAHAH
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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2018, 09:09:57 PM »


A battery housing without seals has zero built there

What perfect idiots  ;D
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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #67 on: April 30, 2018, 09:13:50 PM »

Today (Apr 30) is the day that Zero is supposed to be mailing letters to the owners.   Wonder if there's going to be some kind of press release as well?   
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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #68 on: April 30, 2018, 10:23:33 PM »

I hope so, not heard anything in the UK and its 17.20 here on the 30th. I have to assume you will hear before we Brits do. I am eagerly awaiting news.
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« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2018, 10:29:24 PM »

I hope so, not heard anything in the UK and its 17.20 here on the 30th. I have to assume you will hear before we Brits do. I am eagerly awaiting news.
I assume you must have gotten some contact from Zero after your "Thermal Event".   What information did they have (that you can share)?
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« Reply #70 on: May 01, 2018, 12:00:57 AM »

I am reluctant to post to much and stir up things again. I had a telephone call from Danny vanderHorst of Zero EU on the evening of the thermal event but have had no contact from Zero USA in all the time since. I know nothing of the offer and am as eager as yourself as I used my bike as my primary means of transport. I had hoped it was to be a cheap means to get around in the rural location I live in. Hopefully someone Stateside gets a letter today and posts on here or facebook. I need to get it sorted ASAP as I need another bike for transport everyday. I fear I will not be able to get another Zero on my limited funds. I eagerly await news.
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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #71 on: May 01, 2018, 01:50:47 AM »

Per the NHTSA filing, Zero Motorcycles will be mailing certified letters to owners in North America today. Translated materials and details for other regions are in process and should be mailed within the next week. Emails will also be sent this week.

Thank you for your patience.
Chris Langlois
Zero Motorcycles Customer Experience Team
« Last Edit: May 01, 2018, 02:51:07 AM by triplerider »
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Richard230

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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #72 on: May 01, 2018, 03:19:37 AM »

I am reluctant to post to much and stir up things again. I had a telephone call from Danny vanderHorst of Zero EU on the evening of the thermal event but have had no contact from Zero USA in all the time since. I know nothing of the offer and am as eager as yourself as I used my bike as my primary means of transport. I had hoped it was to be a cheap means to get around in the rural location I live in. Hopefully someone Stateside gets a letter today and posts on here or facebook. I need to get it sorted ASAP as I need another bike for transport everyday. I fear I will not be able to get another Zero on my limited funds. I eagerly await news.

I think you will have to wait a little longer.  The US Postal Service is not all that speedy when it comes to delivery of certified first class mail.  Now if it was junk mail it would arrive much faster.  ::)
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Electric Terry

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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2018, 09:02:06 PM »

Looks like I was too low in my estimation if the 2012 Zero customer is correct who messaged me this morning asking which model year Zero he should buy, in which I replied 2018 if you can for the biggest battery, or 2017 if power is mostly important to you and the biggest battery is not a priority, and if power is not important and can't qualify for financing the remainder of a 2018, to get a 2016, as it is the first year with a stronger frame for more confidence and less frame flex flicking the bike back and forth in the corners, and also has the suspension, bearing, brake, wheel and ABS upgrades that came with the 2015 model year, yet was the first year of the 13.0 battery which had almost 20% less internal resistance than the 2015 12.5 battery.

Everyone should be able to get something 2016 or newer as it looks like Zero is going above and beyond to really take care of their early adopters with a generous offer, and for that we all should be grateful.  If the customer who messaged me is correct it looks like it might be $6000 buyout, and $7000 towards a new or used Zero at a current Zero dealer.  For $7000, this means that adding perhaps $2k or $3k of your own money, you can get into the 2016 to 2018 range which i would love to see everyone do if they can.  I know at least 3 people who got used 2016 3 brick Zero S's this year for the $6k-$7k range so if you want an SR, for a little more it's totally possible.

Again i have no confirmation on this, just one single independent report, but i have been friends with this customer for 7 years and he has always been very reliable.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2018, 10:10:52 PM by Electric Terry »
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Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2018, 07:42:45 AM »

Can anyone confirm what Terry has heard and received their letters yet. I hope its true they used the KBB value and $6000 is correct, that's only what I was posting on here for. I got some negative comments for doing so but I have only been lobbying for a fair deal. I only pointed out the KBB value and asking prices before the recall. I fear in the UK there are no used Zeros for sale at the moment as they are rare over here. I have had no contact from Zero yet and need to replace my bike ASAP. If anyone can confirm the offer and inform the refund timescale I would be very grateful.
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