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[stevenh]

I wonder if the new charge tank (6Kw) would have any chance of working with a '16 DSR?  Nice to see the option going forward anyway.

Steve

[madcow]

I'd further open that question up: Will it work with MY 15? Or even MY14?

Can you simultaneously use the new charge tank and the onboard charger? How high do the kWs in the App go?

[originalspacerob]

Im wondering the same thing. They say the power tank is compatible with the older models but not much information on the charge tank. Since the motorcycle overall is the same I don't see why not. They make a note saying that charge time depends on battery so my guess would be it will work on the 7.2kW, 13kW or 14kW batteries. I guess we will see. You can add it as an option on all the models of the DS/DSR and S/SR models. Maybe more information will surface or they will add that to there website.


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[Skidz]

Tbh i am a bit under-impressed by the previous charge tank which I have installed on my DSR '16. The advertisement spoke about a three times faster charge then on level1, and since level1 is 1300W I was expecting 3.9kW from the charger. But the chargetank turned out to be 2.5kW max, which combined with the onboard did amount up to 3,8kW but I never reached that sort of numbers in the real world. Max charge power i've seen from a level 2 was around 3.2kW.... So if they're now saying 'a 6kW charge solution' i'd ask them directly if the chargetank itself is 6kW, amounting to 7.3kW with the onboard, or if it is 4.7kW peak power expecting the onboard to chip in the remaining 1.3kW...

[Lenny]

@skidz I'm asking myself the same questions. I have the feeling that the new charge tank is not supposed to work together with the onboard, which would be pretty bad and stupid. As the J1772 only supports single phase and most J-plugs are 6.6 kW, the charge tank alone will draw all the current. However you could use a second j-plug with an adapter for the onboard.

For us in Europa its even worse, because apparently they also ship it with a J1772 in Europe instead of a Type2-Mennekes. What does that mean? Well, you will only get full power on 22 kW stations, because 11 kW stations are limited to 3.6 kW on one phase. Furthermore you have to build yourself another adapter to feed the onboard from another phase. And because the bike doesn't have a Type2 plug, you won't be able to use chargers with attached cables.

Summing it up for Europe: this thing might already be crap before it's even shipped. I guess we have to continue to rely on proper third party solutions for serious fast charging. Pretty sad.

[David S]

Where has it been revealed that zero has annouced a 6kw charge tank?

[mrwilsn]

I have also been wondering if the new charge tank is 6kW with onboard or by itself.  I noticed in the spec sheet for 2016 Zero SR, when you click on the question mark next to 'With Charge Tank accessory' on the specs page it lists the charge tank as 2.5kW.  Combined with the onboard that gets to 3.8kW as mentioned by @Skidz.  On the spec page for 2018 Zero SR if you click on the question mark next to 'With Charge Tank accessory' it describes the charge tank as 6kW.  This leaves me hopeful that you can get 7.3kW when combined with the onboard.  Ideally, Zero would read the signaling when you plug in J1772 and it would automatically add in the onboard if the EVSE can handle it (e.g. high power clipper creek can provide 8kW).  Zero hasn't posted the owners manuals yet so can't check for further information.

Tbh i am a bit under-impressed by the previous charge tank which I have installed on my DSR '16. The advertisement spoke about a three times faster charge then on level1, and since level1 is 1300W I was expecting 3.9kW from the charger. But the chargetank turned out to be 2.5kW max, which combined with the onboard did amount up to 3,8kW but I never reached that sort of numbers in the real world. Max charge power i've seen from a level 2 was around 3.2kW.... So if they're now saying 'a 6kW charge solution' i'd ask them directly if the chargetank itself is 6kW, amounting to 7.3kW with the onboard, or if it is 4.7kW peak power expecting the onboard to chip in the remaining 1.3kW...

The power rating is based on how much it draws from the wall.  Since some energy is lost to heat you don't get the full 3.8kW going into the battery.  However, you could be right that the 2018 charge tank could be only 4.7kW and needs the onboard to hit 6kW.

[KrazyEd]

As far as charge amps / time not being as expected, you have to consider what the bike is using, vs what is being delivered.
The app shows that I am receiving just over 3K when using the onboard and Elcon with 220 volts. I was hoping that with
both chargers, I would be getting closer to 4KW.  When connected to ChargePoint, their app shows right at 4K being delivered.
So, if you account for efficiency, ( I usually figure 80%). then it comes out to be pretty close. When I used a Y cable and added
my QuiQ charger, it came out to right at 5K according to ChargePoint, so again pretty much as advertised. I was also Underwhelmed
with the previous Charge Tank speed. Might have to consider the new unit if it works on my 2016 SR.

[Ndm]

I'm not sure who's charger they're using now but I'll chime in with the TSM 2500 pair I'm using (which is the exact charger that zero was selling but with proprietary canbus controller) I am seeing 6kw without onboard and about 7.3kw with onboard, the nice thing about my TSM is I can turn it down with a programmed switch to go to 6.5kw with onboard, I can set up to 4 different levels of my choosing which makes it very versatile for different types of level 2, I have even encountered 3.3 kw chargers in the wild which I can use as well, I hope zeros new setup works this way

[JaimeC]

This page implies the 6kw charging is only available with the 2018 models:  http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/

[David S]

Looks to me from the page 6kw is charge tank alone, as it says "plug in the on board charger too for 103mph of charging". Very impressive upgrade on the charge tank.

[originalspacerob]

I sent am email to them this morning asking if it works on the 2017 models and older. Im waiting for a response. They would get more sales from the power tank at this size if they made it backwards compatible.


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[originalspacerob]

No response as of yet.


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[originalspacerob]

I didnt hear from Zero. But emailed my dealer. They checked thru there channels at Zero and  the 6kW charge tank is not backwards compatible. It has to be installed at the factory when the bike is ordered. It doesn't make sense but that is what I was told. It will be interesting if anyone else hears the same.


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[dfautheree]

I have a 2017 Zero DS ZF13.0 and requested my dealer order a Charge Tank on 8/29 when I purchased it.  I received a voicemail today from Zero Customer Service saying they stopped taking orders for the Charge Tank on 8/22 and they had no stock for the 2017 and older models.  They could not discuss any upcoming product changes until the official announcement.  Zero told me the new Charge Tank is not backwards compatible and is only available as a factory-installed option on the 2018 models.

I'll be taking a look at the Diginow v2.