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[odedmaz]

Zero's customer service lack. Their method of doing everything through the dealers is problematic at times.

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[deckofficer]

Zero, unlike others in the automotive marketplace is sure tight lipped about their next year models. Last year it wasn't till November before press releases. I wonder if they do this to help their dealer network clear out current year models with discounts? The option of CHAdeMO charging is what I'm waiting for and will buy from the first manufacture that provides that on their electric motorcycle. Lightning LS218 has it but hasn't started production to my knowledge. That is how important CHAdeMO charging is for me, I'd buy a Lightning at $38K before a Zero at $18K that doesn't have it. I would buy a Zero today if they had CHAdeMO. My fingers are crossed they will offer it on their 2018 lineup. 

[Ashveratu]

I would buy a Zero today if they had CHAdeMO. My fingers are crossed they will offer it on their 2018 lineup.

Ditto, I have seriously been considering an Energica Eva purely because of the CCS charging ability. I would be able to ride from DC to New York and back with no worries.

[Hansi]

Yup, if they offered DC charging I'd want one too, and I'm sure they could sell as many units as they could produce if they offered DC charging.

[Rugby4life]

We don't have long to wait. The dealer conference call is on Oct 4th. If we all start chanting DC-DC-DC-DC, do you think they'd get the message?

[deckofficer]

One item that will probably be in the 2018 models is the new 32 Ah Farasis cells. Same weight and footprint as the current 29 Ah cells with a 10% increase in energy density, so a 10% increase in range.

Does anyone know what the energy density is for the current cell? I kept searching and Doctorbass had shared a fact sheet on the older 25 ah cell. 185 whr/kg so if the current cell maintains the same weight it would be 215 whr/kg.

It seems energy density has become trade secrets. It wasn't that way just 10 years ago when I was rolling my own.

After a lot of research I found someone that weighed the new 2170 cell Tesla is producing at their Gigafactory and it is 66 grams. Since it is rated at 5,750 ma, I finally know its energy density is a very good 322.2 wh/kg. To put that into a Zero perspective, I believe the (4) packs that make up the 13 kwh pack weigh about 168 lb, correct me if I'm wrong. Using the Tesla's new 2170 cell the pack would weigh 89 lb. So you could have a 25 kwh pack for the same weight as the Farasis cell pack currently used. How nice would it be to have 200 mile range at 70 mph? 

[Hansi]

We don't have long to wait. The dealer conference call is on Oct 4th. If we all start chanting DC-DC-DC-DC, do you think they'd get the message?

Hehe.. Hopefully they're reading the forums and seeing how many threads are about faster charging and working on it. JustinZeroMoto, a Zero employee, replied to this thread earlier saying "KEEP EM COMING", so at least they're reading this thread

[grmarks]

As I posted on another thread, for minimal cost Zero could remove the bottom onboard charger, drop the battery 2 inches and put an air-cooled charger on top of the battery with a cowling pointing downwards to stop water ingress. Intake and exit could be at the back to help as well.   

[ESokoloff]

Belt adjustment jack bolts that are fine thread & have a smooth head instead of the ones on my 16DSR that are course thread & have embossed figures on the head that dig into the soft aluminum block that they push against (actually just the left side does this as that's were the force is needed to tension the belt).
The fine thread would allow finer adjustment.
Stainless steel would also be a nice touch providing all the metals used played nice with each other.
Oh, & a dab of anti-seize on the threads & bolt heads for lubrication would also be nice (but easily done on the first adjustment by the owner).

[vinceherman]

"KEEP EM COMING"

Speed Control
I think I have mentioned this on every wish list thread.

[Doug S]

Speed Control
I think I have mentioned this on every wish list thread.

I've mentioned it a lot, as well...seems like a fairly quick firmware exercise. Equally simple should be a "creep" reverse mode, to get out of downhill-facing parking spots. A single button could manage both functions. Push and hold the button at zero speed, the bike creeps backwards when you apply some throttle; push the button when you're at speed and it engages the speed control.

[JaimeC]

I've mentioned it a lot, as well...seems like a fairly quick firmware exercise. Equally simple should be a "creep" reverse mode, to get out of downhill-facing parking spots. A single button could manage both functions. Push and hold the button at zero speed, the bike creeps backwards when you apply some throttle; push the button when you're at speed and it engages the speed control.

Yamaha heard you.  Check out "Park Assist" on the 2018 Venture.  I can see the usefulness for a 950 lbs luxo-tourer, but a 400 lbs Zero?  Not necessary. 

[DPsSRnSD]

"creep" reverse

I can see the usefulness for a 950 lbs luxo-tourer, but a 400 lbs Zero?  Not necessary.

I can't back up uphill without getting off and pushing.

[Doug S]

First bike I remember seeing it on was one of Honda's Gold Wangs. Sure, a heavier bike needs it more, but if you've got any appreciable slope, dabbing your feet just doesn't give you enough leverage to move even a 400-lb bike.

Although, to be sure, I always try to park with my front wheel higher than the rear, so I almost always back into a spot like that, so I'll be going forward when I leave. But sometimes you can't do that -- if there's too much side angle as well, sometimes you need to park with the kickstand on one side or the other for stability.

[clay.leihy]

I can't push my FX backward while sitting on it, but that's because of my shortness, not the bikes heaviness. (Just think "tippy toes.")

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