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Re: Zero Customer Service
« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2017, 12:27:59 AM »

I am understanding the dealership billable hours get paid by Zero Motorcycles for warranty work, or is that not true?
To be honest, I really don't know but that is probably how it works.

I also sent e-mail directly to Zero EU but they didn't bother answering.
Lucky me, I got an reply from Zero EU. They apologised for the delay and told that the batterypack was shipped on 11th of April. ?? ?? ?? ??  I left my bike to the dealer in January and at the beginning of February they ordered a new battery pack. So apparently the battery pack was sent just after my e-mail directly to Zero EU. I don't know if this is just a consequence or not. I also still don't know if the battery pack has been sent from Europe or USA.
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« Reply #76 on: April 25, 2017, 09:01:58 AM »

7 weeks and counting now.

My dealer checks the shipping log every day and there is still no indication of a delivery date for my replacement rear wheel.

I spoke to Streetbike, our main UK dealer.  I bought my bike from them and have nothing but great things to say about their attitude and customer service. In fact, I'll be very surprised if I ever come across a better dealership. However, they too report serious difficulties getting parts from Zero with little or no information available to them.

Somehow it seems that Zero themselves don't know if they've shipped a part!

As usual, Streetbike went above and beyond all of my expectations. I was asked to drop them a line detailing the issues I've had. That was then sent onto Zero's European HQ and we received this reply:

We from team Holland want to sincerely apologize for this parts problem. We feel as frustrated as you and your customers but unfortunately there is nothing more that we can do from our end in Europe.
As long as the parts are just not shipped from the US, they cannot be forwarded by 3pl.

Our after sales guys keep on hammering the importance of getting parts in and for now we can only hope that things will improve.
 
We would take a plane to SV to get the parts if that would help, but all we can say to you and many other dealers is: SORRY (and I know this is not the answer you want to hear nor the answer that we want to give).

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I don't know what to make of this sentence:

"As long as the parts are just not shipped from the US, they cannot be forwarded by 3pl."

At first I wondered if parts where not necessarily coming from the US. However, I think the "just" simply means that the bottleneck is at Scott's Valley. The parts just aren't leaving the factory.

So what does that mean?

1.  They have such a backlog that whoever is responsible for shipping parts is taking weeks to get round to new orders?

2.  They don't have a spare wheel in stock?

3. They are using a method of shipping that takes many weeks in order to save money?

4. They are deliberately understaffing their customer service department to save money?

One example I was given was that it took four weeks to ship a BMS board. Despite repeated attempts, nobody could find out how long it would take for the item to arrive. The customer was kept in the dark.  I presume a BMS board is simply a circuit board. I would expect it is significantly smaller than a PC motherboard. Apparently these things cost 900 GBP! I'm sure I could order a $100 motherboard from the USA and have it arrive within a few days at a reasonable cost.  Don't tell me Zero don't stock spare BMS boards... please(?)

So the only conclusion I can make from all off this is that Zero's Customer Service department is utterly incompetent.  Not only that, but senior management have allowed this incompetence to continue for years, as far as I can tell.  I'm sure there are lots of excuses, but we don't want to hear them.

Zero need to get their act together and very quickly.  I think it probably needs new management and new staff.  The current incumbents have been getting it wrong for longer than is acceptable.  Something as important as this should work well from the outset.

After all this, I wish I kept my Honda NC750 SD. Or even the VFR 1200FD and its sky high running costs. But then I wouldn't have had the pleasure of riding my Zero.  I hope, by some magic, that my bike is back on the road soon.
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Re: Zero Customer Service
« Reply #77 on: April 25, 2017, 05:42:05 PM »

I'm guessing they aren't exactly swimming in profits, so they don't hire the number of people for the loss center that is customer service. If I were calling from a volume customer, like a police department, I'm sure I'd get much better results. But alas, I only own two.
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« Reply #78 on: April 25, 2017, 08:53:13 PM »

My begging worked, Zero contacted the dealership Saturday and got another copy of the logs. Come on, find all the voltage drops. Please tell me they didn't wipe the logs with a firmware update already. I can't bring it in for another 1-2 month long visit and be told nothing's wrong with it again!
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« Reply #79 on: April 25, 2017, 09:13:09 PM »

Over the past 5 years I have taken a couple of tours of the factory. I was never overly visibly impressed by Zero's parts department size and apparent inventory. My guess is that they just don't have any extra unused parts like wheels and frames in stock to supply for sale or warranty claims, as everything that they buy is sucked up in producing new motorcycles.   ???  It can't really be a labor issue as shipping out an available part upon request certainly would only take a few minutes of someones time.  The only logical reason for not doing so is that the requested part is not in stock and requires many months to obtain from the original supplier - or perhaps they just wait until the parts for next year's bikes are ordered and add one more on for back-ordered items.  ???
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Re: Zero Customer Service
« Reply #80 on: April 25, 2017, 09:14:34 PM »

Zero is hiring a engineer in customer service. 
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« Reply #81 on: April 25, 2017, 10:18:19 PM »

I was contacted by an EE in customer service last week. Hopefully she's the one that contacted my dealer this Saturday. They sent more logs over the weekend, per my request. Please find the weeks of voltage drops after the logs I E-mailed in and tell me my pack is shorting or something is wrong! 2 years of troubleshooting and pulling teeth to get help!
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« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2017, 12:07:10 PM »

I was contacted by an EE in customer service last week. Hopefully she's the one that contacted my dealer this Saturday. They sent more logs over the weekend, per my request. Please find the weeks of voltage drops after the logs I E-mailed in and tell me my pack is shorting or something is wrong! 2 years of troubleshooting and pulling teeth to get help!

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you nev. An engineer in customer service would be a very positive thing.

Thanks for your input again Richard.  I fear you are probably right. I asked Streetbike if they still had any 2014 DSP bikes left. The light hearted response was: "You're joking, aren't you?"

They did have a number of DSP bikes in stock for many months due to our government dragging its heels over the subsidy. In the end, I think all the customers who had expressed an interest in one took the plunge before the subsidy became available. By now, I think Zero have managed to clear all their stock of 2014 bikes. There is always going to be someone out there willing to buy them at the right price.

So basically, I'm stuffed. No stock of spares and probably no stock of bikes they could tear down for spares.  If that is the case, I'm going to be extremely angry with Zero for not telling me that in the first place.  I'm sure the rear wheel could have been refurbished by now. Or I could have been offered a rear wheel from a 2017 model. The frame is essentially unchanged and I don't care about having spokes.

Yet again, it's the lack of communication that's the biggest issue here. If I had some solid information to go on and a dialogue with Zero, then I'd be back on my bike by now. Instead, I've been kept in the dark and all I can do is complain and speculate.

Thanks Zero, thank you very bloody much!
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« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2017, 05:28:58 PM »

My dealer says Zero told them they'd two day air the new plastics over...five or six weeks ago. They haven't gotten any updates since. It seems like Zero grew too fast, everything from shipping/wharehouse, customer service, anything not sales related, is just crazy laid back. No fcks given. Unless it's a section that brings in money. Sales? Advertising? They're on their game.
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Re: Zero Customer Service
« Reply #84 on: April 26, 2017, 08:37:10 PM »

I asked about ordering a new 2017 tank in Jan/Feb and was told that there's a backorder. Ordered it late-March and it's arriving tomorrow with FedEx. Did you pay for the tank? If not, guessing your dealer is ignoring you. If yes, ask your dealer to show you the order, redacting whatever he may want of the commercial terms.
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« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2017, 08:46:26 PM »

It's a warranty replacement. Previous dealer did an unauthorized brake fluid flush and caused a leak. Red tank ended up stained with pink dots. He also scratched the tank bag somehow. Before Zero quit speaking to me, they said they would authorize their replacement under warranty. The dealer, just like the last two, spent a lot of time looking into the bike with Zero, but can't find anything mechanically or electronically wrong with it, so they called me and said it was good and Zero was sending them new plastics, over a month ago.

I called twice and they said they were still waiting on the plastics. I don't think they want my bike sitting around in their shop any more than I do, and they even said it looks bad on them that my bike has been there for so long already. I think they're leaning on Zero. I got ahold of a manager, he wasn't happy with how I've been treated also. I'm curious how many dealerships I'm going to cause to drop Zeros.
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« Reply #86 on: April 26, 2017, 08:55:40 PM »

Dealers dropping the Zero brand should be a real concern for all of us. Dealers talk to each other and if the word gets around that the Zero brand is nothing but trouble for its dealers and their customers, dealers will start dropping the franchise and that will cut sales and really hurt their customers who already own the bikes and are dependent upon a franchised dealer for parts, repairs and service.  :(

I know that my BMW dealer decided not to pick up the Zero franchise last year because they were not confident that they would receive the sort of BMW-level after-sales support that they believe that their customers expect.
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« Reply #87 on: April 26, 2017, 10:38:23 PM »

The fact that they all seem to be selling quite well, or at least they say they are, may be dampening the blow. The service departments of the ones that haven't dropped Zero seem quite frustrated, that's for sure. Last one I spoke to said they weren't very happy with Zero, but that they weren't dropping them. Seems like they get some slack for being a smaller manufacture.

But yeah, once you get a reputation for selling alien technology that dealers can't fix, with parts supply and support weak, the dealers may not want to keep it around.
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« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2017, 04:16:08 AM »

Yup, "firmware update fixes the random slowdowns". Once the plastics arrive, they're giving it back to me.
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Re: Zero Customer Service
« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2017, 04:32:09 AM »

Yup, "firmware update fixes the random slowdowns". Once the plastics arrive, they're giving it back to me.
Well that should be easy to verify before you take delivery of it. Grab a copy of the MBB and BMS logs, and compare to the "before" version you had.
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