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Author Topic: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR  (Read 4325 times)

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acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« on: March 23, 2017, 07:04:30 AM »

i traded in the 2016 SR i'd had for 4-5 months for a 2017. don't get me wrong, i loved the bike and put 17200km on it. the die was cast when i came in for service and while testing the 2017 SR smoked a zx-10 and 1000rr 3 stoplight in a row. fast, well under 3 seconds, at least a half-second faster than my 2016 SR was and so much faster than the S. i didn't try the 2017 DSR and now looking at the specs wondering if its even faster with the same gear ratios and a slightly larger rear wheel. i saw track times for the 2017 DSR as low as 2.7 posted on another forum.
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2017, 07:19:19 AM »

I love the 116 ft. pounds of torque on my '17 SR!  Bought a '17 BMW R1200R earlier this month for my all day weekend rider.  Spent a solid week on the BMW to get it broken in then went back to SR for commuting to work this week; could barely control myself as I was blowing pass everything in front of me on the freeway.  No chance of that while riding the BMW, but that is not why I bought it.  The SR just makes full throttle twists so exciting while running "Custom" map at 100% power/torque.
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2017, 07:30:46 AM »

Not ridden the 2017 DSR vs the 2017 SR, although I really don't presume the DSR being faster due to a larger aero profile in the front (is it still called drag when it's in the frontal area?). Plenty happy with my 2016 DSR and although I cheer the improvements of the 2017, the '16 never fails to put a smile on my face in sport mode even up steep grade hills so I'm o-kay with that. I did have a 2016 S for a week and I know what you're saying when you've tried the faster thing, then the slower thing is... noticeably slower.
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2017, 06:31:22 PM »

i measured my 16 SR with 4.3s 0-100km/h (maybe 4.15 0-60mp/h). So i was a bit disappointed because they advertised 3.3s. Now they are getting there, but removed the 0-60/0-100 numbers, who knows why.
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2017, 10:17:34 AM »

i saw track times for the 2017 DSR as low as 2.7 posted on another forum.

Who posted that and where? That is a quantum leap over the prior bikes. A 9.4% increase in torque and a 4.4% increase in horsepower don't add up to a 40% increase in 0-60 time. I am basing that on the best real-world times I have seen which have been in the high 3 second range. Even if you use Zero's formerly published time of 3.3 seconds (which was apparently highly optimistic) that gives an approximate 20% improvement - highly unlikely. I would like to see a real instrumented acceleration test done by experienced testers.
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2017, 11:27:00 AM »

This topic was discussed here before. Its because of the shorter gearing of the 17 models. But i also think 2.7 is not realistic

Edit: to do justice to the thread: i think the dsr and sr are simiar or the dsr a bit slower to 100, the 16 models were rated a bit slower than the sr's
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2017, 02:20:59 PM »

But i also think 2.7 is not realistic

A stock DSR probably won't do 2.7s 0-60mph. I think my 16' S can get close to 3s (it's not stock) and it should break 2.7s after I change the gearing ratio. I have been on a DSR that definitely does 2.7s easily.

Also, the SR and DSR are very similar. The SR is a hair faster due to the aerodynamics and the tires have a tad more grip but the DSR wheelies easier cause of the bigger wheels.
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2017, 02:26:01 PM »

Hey there :)

You get near 2s with your 16 S? not even SR? What did you do to that monster? :) and how do you measure the times?

thanks buddy
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2017, 12:19:46 AM »

Hey Guys - I found that there was almost no comparison between the 16 and 17 models, once you ride a DSR / SR you won't be happy with the 16's performance.

Obtaining an accurate 0-60 speed test is dependent on the posture of the rider. As we all know, our body is an air-brake for speed. I checked my 2017 DSR on numerous occasions and I was always able to get below 3.0 sec. As I mentioned, I always lean forward during these tests and most important I have a touring windshield which both offer a small advantage.

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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2017, 05:18:54 AM »

Hey Guys - I found that there was almost no comparison between the 16 and 17 models, once you ride a DSR / SR you won't be happy with the 16's performance.

Obtaining an accurate 0-60 speed test is dependent on the posture of the rider. As we all know, our body is an air-brake for speed. I checked my 2017 DSR on numerous occasions and I was always able to get below 3.0 sec. As I mentioned, I always lean forward during these tests and most important I have a touring windshield which both offer a small advantage.

Regards - Mike

Good point but also the weight of the rider is a big factor too, so no one will get the same times as others unless they are the same weight.
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2017, 03:12:58 AM »

The acceleration of the DSR & SR is awesome, on the twisties here in N Georgia I can't go around the corners knee down like these younger guys, but thanks the insane acceleration on the pull-outs and straightaways, very few of those guys can keep up with me.

The real advantage of the DSR is its constant torque - Unlike a ICE bike where the engine only reaches high torque in just a portion of each gears ratio, the Zero is full blast all the time and extra happy at any speed from 0-70 mph.

Regards - Mike
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2017, 03:24:01 AM »

When I first got my 2015 SR, I thought it was so fast, I could be at risk of "throttle lock" . I'm just going off of my butt-dyno.  I have no real numbers.  My last motorcycle was a Yamaha R6 with race track weight reduction. 

Over a year later I have put 14,000 miles on and the acceleration feels "normal" now.  So either I have gotten use to it, or it has slowed down.  I don't really know.  At one point when I took it in and it got firmware update and I am not sure if that affected acceleration. 
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2017, 08:33:01 AM »

Hey Guys - I found that there was almost no comparison between the 16 and 17 models, once you ride a DSR / SR you won't be happy with the 16's performance.

Obtaining an accurate 0-60 speed test is dependent on the posture of the rider. As we all know, our body is an air-brake for speed. I checked my 2017 DSR on numerous occasions and I was always able to get below 3.0 sec. As I mentioned, I always lean forward during these tests and most important I have a touring windshield which both offer a small advantage.

Regards - Mike
Seriously? My 16 Sr has plenty of torque, even with custom set at 40%, I'm completely satisfied. I have plenty of acceleration and that's with a passenger. I have no need for anything else.
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2017, 04:51:19 PM »

Hey Guys - I found that there was almost no comparison between the 16 and 17 models, once you ride a DSR / SR you won't be happy with the 16's performance.

Obtaining an accurate 0-60 speed test is dependent on the posture of the rider. As we all know, our body is an air-brake for speed. I checked my 2017 DSR on numerous occasions and I was always able to get below 3.0 sec. As I mentioned, I always lean forward during these tests and most important I have a touring windshield which both offer a small advantage.

Regards - Mike
Seriously? My 16 Sr has plenty of torque, even with custom set at 40%, I'm completely satisfied. I have plenty of acceleration and that's with a passenger. I have no need for anything else.

I dunno, a Ducatti Monster 791 was getting away from me and my 15-SR this weekend, I now have a hankering for a quicker 17 model...
(it was only just getting away though... I need to lose some weight ;) )
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Re: acceleration 2016 SR vs 2017 SR vs 2017 DSR
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2017, 06:56:50 AM »

OK, all this talk about the 2017 SR acceleration has piqued my interest to the point where I am going to test ride one this weekend. I will report back.
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