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[grmarks]

I don't seek increased speed or torque, but the systems upgrades are nice to see.

One irritation: the Power Tank 3.3 is listed as compatible only with 2017 models. I was holding out for just that upgrade to my 2016 DSR. I'd mostly prefer some kind of assurance that the Power Tank interactions with the Main Pack BMS or MBB were sorted out. I guess I'll inquire separately about this, but I don't expect my dealer to even try to get such an exception from Zero.

I'll wait on finding out what the "long brick" possibilities are, since it's only described in limited form on the website. Sharing the long brick between FX/FXS and low-priced S/DS models is a good strategy, but they should allow upgrades for those S/DS owners instead of just storage space allowance.

Ref: http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_5&products_id=239

The specs are a bit all over the place. The european specs I read say the power tank is compatible from 2014 models onwards and the long FX/FXS battery is non removeable (like the monolith on S/SR/DS/DSR).

[Richard230]

I wonder if Zero is using a new model Sevcon controller or a different brand?

[Shadow]

What is the difference anymore between FX and FXS?  Just tires and cast wheels vs spokes?

[mrwilsn]

What is the difference anymore between FX and FXS?  Just tires and cast wheels vs spokes?

Suspension is different....more travel on the FX.  Buy yeah....other than that just wheels and tires.  IMHO that's the way it should be.

[Doctorbass]

I wonder if Zero is using a new model Sevcon controller or a different brand?

I "heard".. this is Sevcon =)

[nevetsyad]

...things I should have been taking pictures of when I was sitting on 2017 Zeros last weekend.

[David S]

Already wondering how much I would have to pay to trade in my 2016 for a 2017. Increased performance was the one thing that would make me consider trading, really curious to see what the new 0-60 is, or how significant the increase would feel overall.

[protomech]

Already wondering how much I would have to pay to trade in my 2016 for a 2017. Increased performance was the one thing that would make me consider trading, really curious to see what the new 0-60 is, or how significant the increase would feel overall.

Feel free to copy, play around with this.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q5-J-v3C_hzuElEOwJzPPk1r5cL-lQkSjb6bL2D6sqQ/edit#gid=0



2017 SR should be a bit over 10% quicker than 2016, depending on rider weight. The S bikes see a larger change, 20 to 27% quicker.

[kashography]

Feel free to copy, play around with this.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q5-J-v3C_hzuElEOwJzPPk1r5cL-lQkSjb6bL2D6sqQ/edit#gid=0

2017 SR should be a bit over 10% quicker than 2016, depending on rider weight. The S bikes see a larger change, 20 to 27% quicker.

thanks for that!
we finally could crack under 4s with the stock 2017 SR. I was a bit disappointed that i was not able to get unter 4.2s 0-100km/h for the ratet 3.3s SR2016. we are still not at 3.3s but it's getting better

[Erasmo]

That locking tank, I'm interested in how the bodywork will fit with a Zero with a Power Tank. There's still plenty of room to make a compartment for your wallet and sandwiches.

[KrazyEd]

According to the spec page, the FX / FXs 6.5 DOES have the integrated battery. I wonder if you got a 3.3 if you can still add a second battery.
I wonder why they put a 1.3 charger on the 6.5 S but left the 650 on the FX / FXs? There also seems to be a significant increase in range with
the 6.5 FXs in the three lower ranges but, LESS in the two higher range specs while being similar with the FX. Disappointed that J1772 connector isn't standard.

[MrDude_1]

I wonder why they put a 1.3 charger on the 6.5 S but left the 650 on the FX / FXs?

I would guess space and the size of the charger.

[domingo3]

Already wondering how much I would have to pay to trade in my 2016 for a 2017. Increased performance was the one thing that would make me consider trading, really curious to see what the new 0-60 is, or how significant the increase would feel overall.

Feel free to copy, play around with this.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q5-J-v3C_hzuElEOwJzPPk1r5cL-lQkSjb6bL2D6sqQ/edit#gid=0



2017 SR should be a bit over 10% quicker than 2016, depending on rider weight. The S bikes see a larger change, 20 to 27% quicker.

Nice.  I'd be interested in adding the FXS to the spreadsheet.  Where does on find the gearing?

[protomech]

we finally could crack under 4s with the stock 2017 SR. I was a bit disappointed that i was not able to get unter 4.2s 0-100km/h for the ratet 3.3s SR2016. we are still not at 3.3s but it's getting better

Bear in mind that the calculated 0-60s time is just that, it's a very simplified model. MCN tested a 2014 SR PT with a 109 kg rider and reported 4.58s where the calculator shows 4.29s, so there are probably some additional losses or simplifications that are being made.

Using that same fudge factor, a 40 kg rider should have been able to get 3.3s 0-60 time out of the 2014 Zero SR. I've added the "fudged" 0-60 times as a check.

According to the spec page, the FX / FXs 6.5 DOES have the integrated battery. I wonder if you got a 3.3 if you can still add a second battery.
I wonder why they put a 1.3 charger on the 6.5 S but left the 650 on the FX / FXs? There also seems to be a significant increase in range with
the 6.5 FXs in the three lower ranges but, LESS in the two higher range specs while being similar with the FX. Disappointed that J1772 connector isn't standard

You should be able to purchase a second battery module and add it to the FX / FXS 3.3.

The FXS has smoother tires that roll more easily, which helps city range. At highway range power consumption for both bikes are dominated by drag, which should be similar.

Nice.  I'd be interested in adding the FXS to the spreadsheet.  Where does on find the gearing?

Added the FXS. Also turned on public editing for assumptions to taste. The gearing is based on the front and rear sprockets, ie a 90 tooth rear and 20 tooth front is 90/20 = 4.5 gearing.

Note the FXS should be a little slower for 2017, as the gearing is much lower. However, this SHOULD give the FXS a similar top speed to the DS ZF6.5 (98 mph top speed, 80 mph sustained) as they have the same battery, motor, gearing, and very similar tire size. Zero claims no change from the 2016 FXS, which is interesting. I would also expect the integrated battery model to be significantly lighter.

[Richard230]

After last night's presidential and congressional elections, I have a bad feeling that the EV credit will be fading away next year when the 2017 Federal budget is adopted.  Already, Tesla stock has tanked this morning.     That is not a good sign.  And as you already know, electric motorcycles (and everything that affects California, for that matter) will get the short end of any funding stick.     There goes the high-speed rail project funding, too.  It is going to be an "interesting" four years.