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Alan Stewart

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News from Farasis, Zero's battery supplier
« on: September 29, 2016, 10:42:45 PM »

New 32Ah cells. I think the current bikes use 29Ah cells? That would be about a 10% increase in capacity. The article also mentions a 4C discharge rate with 10C burst capability. I don't know how that compares to the current cells.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/new-farasis-pouch-cell-balances-power-and-energy-density/
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Re: News from Farasis, Zero's battery supplier
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2016, 11:03:25 PM »

32 Ah * 4 bricks * 116 Volts = 14.8 kWh => ZF14.8 without powertank.
If they use the same cells for the powertank that would be 32 * 5 * 116 = 18.5 kWh

32 Ah at 10C burst would be 1280 Amps for a 4 Brick bike. DUAL 660 Amps controllers please  :)
(Dual 440 Amps controllers would also be nice)

The Farasis cells used in the 2014 SR (IMP06160230P25A) have a 25Ah capacity and a 7C burst discharge rating (4C continuous) So 10C burst discharge is a big improvement
2015 had 27 Ah cells and 2016 29 Ah cells, no idea about the continious or burst rate discharges
« Last Edit: September 29, 2016, 11:07:14 PM by remmie »
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Re: News from Farasis, Zero's battery supplier
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2016, 11:48:38 PM »

clearly this makes everyone's current packs obsolete, so if you would kindly remove and pass them forward, I will just collect them all right here. :p

lol seriously though, its always nice watching these things progress forward. Every year they get better.
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Re: News from Farasis, Zero's battery supplier
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2016, 01:52:23 AM »

Once these new cells hit Zeros, I may have to empty my motorcycle capital improvement account again.   :)
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Re: News from Farasis, Zero's battery supplier
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2016, 02:26:55 AM »

32 Ah * 4 bricks * 116 Volts = 14.8 kWh => ZF14.8 without powertank.
If they use the same cells for the powertank that would be 32 * 5 * 116 = 18.5 kWh

32 Ah at 10C burst would be 1280 Amps for a 4 Brick bike. DUAL 660 Amps controllers please  :)
(Dual 440 Amps controllers would also be nice)

The Farasis cells used in the 2014 SR (IMP06160230P25A) have a 25Ah capacity and a 7C burst discharge rating (4C continuous) So 10C burst discharge is a big improvement
2015 had 27 Ah cells and 2016 29 Ah cells, no idea about the continious or burst rate discharges

dont forget that the Sevcon gen 4 controller  haven't changed for years now.. i would not be surprized if they would release a new higher power version of better power density....  ;).. ex 800  900A insteaf of 660... without the need to go to size 8 witch is not very convinient to install on the Zero...

but.. what would you do with 25% more torque 8)
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Re: News from Farasis, Zero's battery supplier
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2016, 04:05:20 AM »

25% more torque would definitely call for the installation of traction control.   ;)
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Re: News from Farasis, Zero's battery supplier
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2016, 11:12:26 PM »


but.. what would you do with 25% more torque 8)

I would actually lean forward when I pin the throttle.
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Re: News from Farasis, Zero's battery supplier
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2016, 04:11:10 AM »


but.. what would you do with 25% more torque 8)

I would actually lean forward when I pin the throttle.

Resulting in a rear tire burnout.   ;)
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Re: News from Farasis, Zero's battery supplier
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2016, 09:21:17 AM »


but.. what would you do with 25% more torque 8)

I would actually lean forward when I pin the throttle.

Resulting in a rear tire burnout.   ;)

lol.. naa. 25% more makes it solidly halfway to accelerating like a sportbike.
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Re: News from Farasis, Zero's battery supplier
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2016, 10:14:03 AM »

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lol.. naa. 25% more makes it solidly halfway to accelerating like a sportbike.

At the rate they're improving it won't be long before we see EV bikes surpass the gas-powered sport bike specs.  :)
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