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[Zen]

So I started out looking at the FX  ZF6.5, but from what I have learned here the FXS 6.5 is a better machine. My daily ride is now only 12- 30 miles a day so no problem there. The FXS I think would be a blast on these roads I travel daily. By the way gas savings are not why I am interested in Zero, but it doesn't hurt either.

Now comes my problem I would like to us this like I do my dual sport and get some camping in. I usually stealth camp. We have many camp grounds that do not have power State Parks etc. and wilderness sights. I think the 90 mile max range would work if I could actually get that. My riding is in the mountains of NH, ME, and VT paved secondary and fire service roads. I have been investigating places to charge I would be limited in most case to finding a 110v outlet in most cases. The charging areas would be 60 - 90 miles apart. Is there a super fast way to charge the FXS that uses just 110v outlets? I have even thought of a Moto Mule trailer with a small generator (Honda EU2000 ?) on it to charge, if stations are too far apart along the way.

Does the FXS have the comfort for all day riding?

Or does this sound like a job for the DS or DSR and if I go this route what would be the best setup

I truly believe that when I find the best solution I will be able to thin my heard a bit many just old tech (Ural) and new tech (Zero)

Thanks for any input and light you can shed all ideas are welcome. If you think I am off base, asking too much or whatever please let me have it, your knowledge is why I have come to this forum.

[MrDude_1]

Your typical 110v outlet is between 108 and 121 volts AC.
It will be on a 15 or 20 amp breaker.
You should not pull more than 80% of the rating of the breaker, so thats 12Amps.

So in theory, if nothing else is using the circuit (aka no coke machines, lights, etc) you can plug into most outlets and have 1300-1450 watts available at any outlet.

The onboard charger of the FX models is only 650watts... so you could double it to 1300 by adding a separate external 650 watt charger and plug it into the same outlet.
This cuts your charging time roughly in half and is fairly simple to do.



If you want to go faster than this, that is where it becomes tricky. See its not each outlet thats limited to 1300w... its the entire circuit. So unless you are POSITIVE that the second outlet nearby is on a separate breaker, you cannot plug anything else into this. This is where your hangup is. Its rare to have multiple outlets outside of one building on separate circuits.

So you can cut a 9hour charge down to 4.5 hours... but you're still waiting 4.5 hours. You are limited by the outlet.
If you use a generator, you will be running it at or near max power for however long... probably using more gas than just having a gas bike. The generator will have its wattage limit written on it (Not its peak, you need its continuous numbers)

You could use a car charging point with a more powerful charger, but you wont find that out in remote areas.

[Zen]

The gen. 1600  sustainable, up to 9hrs on 1 gallon. I suppose would work in a pinch. This would handle an extra charger. Most likely the FXS will fall short trying to get my trip distance.

[Say10 15FX 16FXS]

FXS all day comfort, no but you can't ride it that long anyway! Seat is equivalent to a 250/450 modern dirt bike.

[Zen]

FXS all day comfort, no but you can't ride it that long anyway! Seat is equivalent to a 250/450 modern dirt bike.

I have done 600 mile days on my TW200, butt was not comfort 

[stevenh]

Love my DSR, all day, probably not with the stock seat, but with the Corbin, I've done 3 hours or so in a day without any problem.  It's a little wider than stock.  DSR is decent for mild off-road (dirt roads, service roads, decent trails).  The belt can be a problem if riding in loose stuff (stuff can get caught in the belt causing it to wear/snap).  I have not ridden the FX/FXS.

Steve

[Zen]

Love my DSR, all day, probably not with the stock seat, but with the Corbin, I've done 3 hours or so in a day without any problem.  It's a little wider than stock.  DSR is decent for mild off-road (dirt roads, service roads, decent trails).  The belt can be a problem if riding in loose stuff (stuff can get caught in the belt causing it to wear/snap).  I have not ridden the FX/FXS.

Steve
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Thanks Steve I appreciate your input do you have the power tank?

[quixotic]

Wow!  If I had a Ural, I'd use that for camping and keep the Zero for commuting. 

[Zen]

Wow!  If I had a Ural, I'd use that for camping and keep the Zero for commuting.

The Ural is my camping rig most of the time. This is where maybe I have to separate things one bike for around town and the other to go the distance. I know the fxs will handle daily life with ease. Maybe I ma asking too much of the Zero.

[MrDude_1]

Wow!  If I had a Ural, I'd use that for camping and keep the Zero for commuting.

The Ural is my camping rig most of the time. This is where maybe I have to separate things one bike for around town and the other to go the distance. I know the fxs will handle daily life with ease. Maybe I ma asking too much of the Zero.

I can tell you this... if you stay within your personal comfort zone with the zero.. its one of the most enjoyable bikes out there.
When you try to "push the limits" on what it can do with range or performance.. it becomes this depressing letdown because theres a bike you love riding that cant quite do what you want it to.
Its sad but the zero cant do everything... once I accepted this instead of trying to figure how to mod it to make it work, I was much happier with the bike.

[Zen]

Wow!  If I had a Ural, I'd use that for camping and keep the Zero for commuting.

The Ural is my camping rig most of the time. This is where maybe I have to separate things one bike for around town and the other to go the distance. I know the fxs will handle daily life with ease. Maybe I ma asking too much of the Zero.

I can tell you this... if you stay within your personal comfort zone with the zero.. its one of the most enjoyable bikes out there.
When you try to "push the limits" on what it can do with range or performance.. it becomes this depressing letdown because theres a bike you love riding that cant quite do what you want it to.
Its sad but the zero cant do everything... once I accepted this instead of trying to figure how to mod it to make it work, I was much happier with the bike.

MrDude which Zero do you have?

[stevenh]

Love my DSR, all day, probably not with the stock seat, but with the Corbin, I've done 3 hours or so in a day without any problem.  It's a little wider than stock.  DSR is decent for mild off-road (dirt roads, service roads, decent trails).  The belt can be a problem if riding in loose stuff (stuff can get caught in the belt causing it to wear/snap).  I have not ridden the FX/FXS.

Steve
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Thanks Steve I appreciate your input do you have the power tank?

No, I elected to skip it.  I ride mostly local and wanted to keep the bike as light as possible.

Steve

[Zen]

Have any of you ridden in the mountains yet (I sure some have) ?  just wondering if it compares with city, highway or combination more closely as far as distance.  I am wondering because one ride which is considered close is riding the Kancamagus Highway NH which is about 55 miles of up and down hills average speed is around 40mph. There are charging stations on the other side. So would the FXS 6.8 handle one way trip charge there and come back.

Charging station there has 3 Wall Outlet (120v)s, 3 EV Plug (J1772)s, 2 Tesla HPWC (Model S)s can the J1772 be used with the FXS ?

[acacia1731]

I've ridden a day of up-and-down trails, off road and averaging around 20mph - my FX 5.7 only did around 30 miles.

Hopefully someone else has more relevant experience, but based on my own, I would not trust an FX to do 55 miles in the mountains.

[MrDude_1]

Wow!  If I had a Ural, I'd use that for camping and keep the Zero for commuting.

The Ural is my camping rig most of the time. This is where maybe I have to separate things one bike for around town and the other to go the distance. I know the fxs will handle daily life with ease. Maybe I ma asking too much of the Zero.

I can tell you this... if you stay within your personal comfort zone with the zero.. its one of the most enjoyable bikes out there.
When you try to "push the limits" on what it can do with range or performance.. it becomes this depressing letdown because theres a bike you love riding that cant quite do what you want it to.
Its sad but the zero cant do everything... once I accepted this instead of trying to figure how to mod it to make it work, I was much happier with the bike.

MrDude which Zero do you have?

I really really really wanted the FXS. I was all set until I rode one.
I ended up with a SR. It fit our needs better.
I probably will buy a used FXS in a couple years once the prices come down or sooner if our situation changes to allow it to work for me.