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[forestlane]

Hi turbojet,

your bike looks great.  I will ask my dealer about the charge tank in the Netherlands

[Chief_Lee_Visceral]

Makes me feel better about the money I am paying to have mine installed at the factory.

[Chief_Lee_Visceral]

So I have a Zero DSR with a charge tank coming and I know I want an EVSE install at home. I have already ordered a Electric Moto Werks Juicebox 40A for that. But I also want to have a flexible cord and adapter "toolkit" to take with me on the road. Can someone help me with this "on the road" solution?

Now I am thinking I was hasty ordering the Juicebox and might return it and get this instead:

http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=25

and use it for the home and take it and adapters for 1450 and 1430 etc on the road trips. Is this right or wrong or it there a better way? I do not know much about this and welcome your comments and suggestions. TIA

[Semper Why]

I'm a little curious as to your riding habits. Do you anticipate the need to go for a ride, come home, charge quickly and then go right back out again? I ask because in my situation, when I arrive home I'm staying put for the rest of the day. Charging slowly via the wall plug is just fine for my situation, so I'm a bit curious as to why you feel you need a quick charge solution for your residence.

Now, I can imagine a couple scenarios where you would want such a thing. Ride to work, ride home, charge while you change clothes, ride out to the club/restaurant/squeeze's place. That sort of routine. I'm just curious, as I wonder if that would happen often enough to justify the expense.

As for the adapter you listed: That looks interesting. I'll let the more knowledgeable members speak up, but I don't know if it would give you significantly faster charging than just going into the wall.

[MrDude_1]

Now, I can imagine a couple scenarios where you would want such a thing. Ride to work, ride home, charge while you change clothes, ride out to the club/restaurant/squeeze's place. That sort of routine. I'm just curious, as I wonder if that would happen often enough to justify the expense.

You basically described my routine for my entire 20s. I would leave work just before 5 to beat traffic.. sit at home for just over an hour for it to disappear, then leave again for dinner/friends/just to ride and unwind/etc. I would then go back home again, and either work on a project, or change and go out again for the night. lol
Most days I would only be home to sleep.

now.. I spend far too much time at home. lol

[benswing]

So I have a Zero DSR with a charge tank coming and I know I want an EVSE install at home.

Now I am thinking I was hasty ordering the Juicebox and might return it and get this instead:

http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=25

and use it for the home and take it and adapters for 1450 and 1430 etc on the road trips. Is this right or wrong or it there a better way? I do not know much about this and welcome your comments and suggestions. TIA

The EVSE upgrade cord can only charge at a maximum of 2kW, which is too slow to be helpful on the road.   EVSE upgrade is cost effective when sending them the charge cord from your LEAF/Volt/Soul/etc and having them upgrade it (hence the name). 

Where do you plan to ride? If you are near cities you should be able to find level two charging stations. If you're riding in the country you can find RV Parks so all you will need is a cord that connects to a NEMA 14-50 outlet.


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[Chief_Lee_Visceral]

I'm a little curious as to your riding habits. Do you anticipate the need to go for a ride, come home, charge quickly and then go right back out again? I ask because in my situation, when I arrive home I'm staying put for the rest of the day. Charging slowly via the wall plug is just fine for my situation, so I'm a bit curious as to why you feel you need a quick charge solution for your residence.

Now, I can imagine a couple scenarios where you would want such a thing. Ride to work, ride home, charge while you change clothes, ride out to the club/restaurant/squeeze's place. That sort of routine. I'm just curious, as I wonder if that would happen often enough to justify the expense.

As for the adapter you listed: That looks interesting. I'll let the more knowledgeable members speak up, but I don't know if it would give you significantly faster charging than just going into the wall.

Hi, Yeah 95% of the time it will be ride home (26 in-city miles on-way) and hook it up to the charger. If I want to go out right away I have ICE bikes and a pickup but mostly it is me keeping my option open. I am just that way. If I can do it an make it more functional I do. Some call it my farkle (aftermarket mods) addiction. Mostly in this case I want to see if I can travel on trips to the boonies or at least away from city level 2 chargers.

[Electric Terry]

So I have a Zero DSR with a charge tank coming and I know I want an EVSE install at home. I have already ordered a Electric Moto Werks Juicebox 40A for that. But I also want to have a flexible cord and adapter "toolkit" to take with me on the road. Can someone help me with this "on the road" solution?

Now I am thinking I was hasty ordering the Juicebox and might return it and get this instead:

http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=25

and use it for the home and take it and adapters for 1450 and 1430 etc on the road trips. Is this right or wrong or it there a better way? I do not know much about this and welcome your comments and suggestions. TIA

This portable charger will do 5 kW and your charge tank and onboard will do 3.8 kW so it's powerful enough with some to spare.  Plus it should make the exchange easy and let you keep the Juicebox connectivity app which is useful since our bikes don't have network connectivity.   But with the Juice App you can connect to all the features and monitor charging progress and see kWh added etc.

https://emotorwerks.com/products/juicecord

[Chief_Lee_Visceral]

So I have a Zero DSR with a charge tank coming and I know I want an EVSE install at home.

Now I am thinking I was hasty ordering the Juicebox and might return it and get this instead:

http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=25

and use it for the home and take it and adapters for 1450 and 1430 etc on the road trips. Is this right or wrong or it there a better way? I do not know much about this and welcome your comments and suggestions. TIA

The EVSE upgrade cord can only charge at a maximum of 2kW, which is too slow to be helpful on the road.   EVSE upgrade is cost effective when sending them the charge cord from your LEAF/Volt/Soul/etc and having them upgrade it (hence the name). 

Where do you plan to ride? If you are near cities you should be able to find level two charging stations. If you're riding in the country you can find RV Parks so all you will need is a cord that connects to a NEMA 14-50 outlet.


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Hi Ben and thank you,

So actually the first ride outside of the routine of commuting that I want to take will be exactly as you describe. Before I even got the bike I downloaded Plugshare and tried to plan a route for the first time I want to take it to a destination away the cities and away from the freeways. The only route that makes sense when I planned it indeed had me stopping at RV park I actually know well because it is exactly where I have stopped for years on this trip anyway! Commenters on Plugshare rave about how nice the RV/park and Arctic Tavern owner so it is exactly the scenario you describe Ben!

So you say just plug it in to the NEMA 1450 or 1430 I presume at the RV/park. But as far as I know you only get an IEC (110v/15A) cord with the DSR so how would I plug into the RV park outlets? I get what the dev8Sean from Zero said as you can plug more than 110v/15A into the stock side and the charge tank will make use of it but they cannot exceed 2.1kW on it for safety reasons.

[Chief_Lee_Visceral]

So I have a Zero DSR with a charge tank coming and I know I want an EVSE install at home. I have already ordered a Electric Moto Werks Juicebox 40A for that. But I also want to have a flexible cord and adapter "toolkit" to take with me on the road. Can someone help me with this "on the road" solution?

Now I am thinking I was hasty ordering the Juicebox and might return it and get this instead:

http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=25

and use it for the home and take it and adapters for 1450 and 1430 etc on the road trips. Is this right or wrong or it there a better way? I do not know much about this and welcome your comments and suggestions. TIA

This portable charger will do 5 kW and your charge tank and onboard will do 3.8 kW so it's powerful enough with some to spare.  Plus it should make the exchange easy and let you keep the Juicebox connectivity app which is useful since our bikes don't have network connectivity.   But with the Juice App you can connect to all the features and monitor charging progress and see kWh added etc.

https://emotorwerks.com/products/juicecord

So what is non the other end of the Juicecord?

I will just call emotowerks because I think I have to return the Juicebox from them anyway.

[benswing]

This portable charger will do 5 kW and your charge tank and onboard will do 3.8 kW so it's powerful enough with some to spare.  Plus it should make the exchange easy and let you keep the Juicebox connectivity app which is useful since our bikes don't have network connectivity.   But with the Juice App you can connect to all the features and monitor charging progress and see kWh added etc.

https://emotorwerks.com/products/juicecord

Terry, do you know if the charge tank will work with a regular NEMA 14-50 cord or does it need a smart cord like the Emotowerks juice cord?


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[Chief_Lee_Visceral]

I have not talked to emotoworks yet. Do you know if the wifi on the Juicecord talks directly to you phone and then the internet? In other words do you create a profile on your phone so they talk directly? I would assume but want to be sure.

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

I have not talked to emotoworks yet. Do you know if the wifi on the Juicecord talks directly to you phone and then the internet? In other words do you create a profile on your phone so they talk directly? I would assume but want to be sure.

The WiFi feature is for smart grid systems, so it talks to the cloud first and your phone uses a bridge through the cloud. Whether you can do this over a local LAN without the cloud features is something you'll have to ask them, but the whole point of this device is that it gives power utilities a view into EV charging (and lets them ask you to re-schedule it if I understand correctly).

https://emotorwerks.com/store-juicebox-ev-charging-stations/1661-juicecord-pro-20-portable-smart-20-amp-evse-with-20-foot-cable/category_pathway-23

[Chief_Lee_Visceral]

I have not talked to emotoworks yet. Do you know if the wifi on the Juicecord talks directly to you phone and then the internet? In other words do you create a profile on your phone so they talk directly? I would assume but want to be sure.

The WiFi feature is for smart grid systems, so it talks to the cloud first and your phone uses a bridge through the cloud. Whether you can do this over a local LAN without the cloud features is something you'll have to ask them, but the whole point of this device is that it gives power utilities a view into EV charging (and lets them ask you to re-schedule it if I understand correctly).

Thanks. I will report back when I get the answer. That dang Siri, she cannot even play the music recorded on you phone if she cannot phone home first. If it is internet up and phone down that means it is no goo monitoring the charge while you kill time eating and what not. Does the Zero app talk directly to your phone?
https://emotorwerks.com/store-juicebox-ev-charging-stations/1661-juicecord-pro-20-portable-smart-20-amp-evse-with-20-foot-cable/category_pathway-23

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

The Zero app will talk directly to your motorcycle, but it's via Bluetooth, which has a range that can be easily limited by walls.