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Re: charge tank
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2016, 12:16:00 AM »

If it's just out of range I would suggest a charging break for lunch half way.
The original plan was to drive 1/4 of the way down and spend the night with friends. But they have a wedding out of state this weekend. The current plan is just as you describe: leave early Saturday morning and stop for a charge break somewhere. The Wife is going to drive down later and we'll do lunch & some antique shopping before heading out of town. I think I got off pretty lucky. I only had to bribe her with antique shopping and not shoe shopping.

My charge tank is sitting at the dealer and will be installed next Wednesday.  This will be the first one they have installed.  They think I can wait while they install it.   ;D
Excellent! In my case, they're also installing the touring windscreen and giving it a checkup. I suspect they're not going to start until Saturday afternoon.
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Re: charge tank
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2016, 02:50:31 AM »



I think I got off pretty lucky. I only had to bribe her with antique shopping and not shoe shopping.

You might enjoy looking at antiques more than shoes but antiques are way more expensive! 😞

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Re: charge tank
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2016, 12:16:07 PM »

On the Facebook Zero Owners group, someone posted a Charge Tank install by the dealer and commenter said that it looked like a Zhuhai Inpower CH4100 model. 

Well, on Alibaba that charger is only $220 (FOB).

http://in-powercar.en.alibaba.com/product/60357242513-802236162/CH4100_60V_Battery_charger_for_electric_vehicle.html
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Re: charge tank
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2016, 02:59:30 PM »

Are they using two in series? Or custom design for Zero?

CH4100-9625
96V
25A

More info in post below
« Last Edit: June 13, 2016, 08:03:04 PM by firepower »
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Re: charge tank
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2016, 03:15:10 PM »

On the Facebook Zero Owners group, someone posted a Charge Tank install by the dealer and commenter said that it looked like a Zhuhai Inpower CH4100 model. 

Well, on Alibaba that charger is only $220 (FOB).

http://in-powercar.en.alibaba.com/product/60357242513-802236162/CH4100_60V_Battery_charger_for_electric_vehicle.html

It ain't gonna be that one, thats a mere 60V, and the Zeros batteries are nearly double that voltage...
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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2016, 06:53:13 PM »

On the Facebook Zero Owners group, someone posted a Charge Tank install by the dealer and commenter said that it looked like a Zhuhai Inpower CH4100 model. 

Well, on Alibaba that charger is only $220 (FOB).

http://in-powercar.en.alibaba.com/product/60357242513-802236162/CH4100_60V_Battery_charger_for_electric_vehicle.html

It ain't gonna be that one, thats a mere 60V, and the Zeros batteries are nearly double that voltage...

What if I told you that 2013 and 2014 Zeros used CC-CV power supplies that only went to 58 volts?
They just used two of them... (well 4 with the S)
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Re: charge tank
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2016, 06:58:51 PM »

Maybe the casing is the same but the internals are different? These things look pretty big but there is nothing to indicate size on the alibaba site :/

Anyone ever order from alibaba before? Most of the stuff I have thought about ordering in the past had too high of a min quantity required.
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« Last Edit: June 13, 2016, 08:08:47 PM by firepower »
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« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2016, 08:35:18 PM »

Do they need reprogrammed, or can I strap two of these together stock and charge on the cheap?
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Re: charge tank
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2016, 08:54:36 PM »

This setup uses ch4100 charger and can bus, not sure if it need programing or it just gives it's status.

No mention of software or programing in manual. (Quick Scan)

http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/images/EV Charge Controller v2.0.2.pdf

http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/chargers-ev.html
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« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2016, 09:03:05 PM »

Do they need reprogrammed, or can I strap two of these together stock and charge on the cheap?
There are literally thousands of CC-CV power supplies you could strap together and charge on the cheap.

Making them fit the tank area neatly with a nice cover and not overheating is harder. Making it work with J1772 properly also takes a little effort.
Overall if you can do it depends on your skill level. I hate to use a cliche, but its one of those things where "if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be doing it."
You would be going into an uncharted area where there are no how-to threads on it. You're on your own. To some that sounds fun, to others, terrifying.

If you want to build a cheap charger, I would stick to a couple stacked meanwells.
If you want to built a tiny, powerful charger and keep it cheap, you need a little EE-education and build a CC-CV buck charger...
If you want it smaller than the stacked meanwells, and cant design it yourself, you're stuck with the diginow charger as your next choice. Its still much cheaper than anything comparable.
next choice after that is the charge tank.
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Re: charge tank
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2016, 09:10:53 PM »

Diginow charger is custom aftermarket designed for zero and higher power and cost. At least we know now zero is using an off the shelf OEM charger not something they especially designed themselves. Zero has designed custom mounting and bodywork and guarantee its compatible.
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Re: charge tank
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2016, 09:36:30 PM »



What if I told you that 2013 and 2014 Zeros used CC-CV power supplies that only went to 58 volts?


I'd say, I'm aware of that, having owned a 2013 Zero-S which needed one of its chargers replacing after its cable got damaged. 

I'm fairly certain, though I could be wrong, that in the install video, it looked like there was only one charger unit.
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Re: charge tank
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2016, 10:43:23 PM »



What if I told you that 2013 and 2014 Zeros used CC-CV power supplies that only went to 58 volts?


I'd say, I'm aware of that, having owned a 2013 Zero-S which needed one of its chargers replacing after its cable got damaged. 

I'm fairly certain, though I could be wrong, that in the install video, it looked like there was only one charger unit.
Well, most people would be suprised.  :p
I know I was.
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Re: charge tank
« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2016, 03:38:27 AM »

It ain't gonna be that one, thats a mere 60V, and the Zeros batteries are nearly double that voltage...

What if I told you that 2013 and 2014 Zeros used CC-CV power supplies that only went to 58 volts?
They just used two of them... (well 4 with the S)

For 2013, yes. The 2014 S/DS/SR bikes use a single green watt power EVC1200/1300 (forget which, their site is ambiguous).
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