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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #435 on: November 12, 2016, 11:59:19 PM »

Middle 4 seconds would be OK, but 6.5 seconds for the SR with power tank would be slow. The Ninja 300 time is listed as 5.6 seconds so you expect the SR to be much faster than that. I'm wondering about the new S model at 313 lbs. That time may be pretty good too. That's the model I'm interested in.
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #436 on: November 13, 2016, 12:31:46 AM »

Without looking it up, I seem to recall that Motorcycle Consumer News got their SR with PT to 60 mph in about 6.5 seconds.

They reviewed the SR + PT. 0-60 was 4.58 seconds with a presumed 240 pound rider.

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=4362.0

I guess next time I comment I should "look it up".   :-[


Here let me google that for you  ;)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=electric+motorcycle+forum+0-60
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #437 on: November 13, 2016, 10:27:35 AM »

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How difficult is it to replace the from sprocket on an FX (with the chain kit)?

I have not done it, yet, but it isn't easy. Swing arm must be removed, bolt into motor shaft needs heat to remove, frame is in the way. Instructions for installing the chain kit are out there, replacing front sprocket is about the same.

Hmmmm sounds like a fare bit of work for something that wears fast!
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #438 on: November 14, 2016, 10:47:27 PM »

The 2017 Owners Manuals are posted now.

One thing I noticed on page 3.21 is a parking brake lever on the left handle controls. It's described conditionally, and I haven't noticed one in photos or one in person look around at the bike. Keep an eye out for this!
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #439 on: November 14, 2016, 11:34:01 PM »

Nice.  Brian you get extra credit for reading a manual for a bike you don't even own.  :)
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #440 on: November 15, 2016, 03:15:24 AM »

Nice.  Brian you get extra credit for reading a manual for a bike you don't even own.  :)

I have to admit that it took me a long time to really look at the FX manual, or manuals before 2013, but there's interesting stuff in there if you have a relaxed eye.

The 2017 Owners Manuals are posted now.

One thing I noticed on page 3.21 is a parking brake lever on the left handle controls. It's described conditionally, and I haven't noticed one in photos or one in person look around at the bike. Keep an eye out for this!

I misread the diagram! It's on the inside of the right handlebar and the lever swings outward to cover the mode switch, basically a nicety to keep you from trying to use the throttle while the lever is engaged.

Page 6.14 lists maintenance for the parking brake, so it's easy to figure out how it works:

The lever pulls some calipers against the rear brake disc using the cable. The maintenance is just to adjust cable tension like a clutch cable needs (probably worth a tiny bit of cable lubricant once a year as well). So, I think it avoids stress on the hydraulic system.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2016, 03:26:38 AM by BrianTRice »
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #441 on: November 15, 2016, 03:24:02 AM »

I just checked and could find no evidence of the parking brake system in the official photos, so I'm guessing there's a store update in the works for 2017 and it's an accessory. I guess I figured out that the brake doesn't use the same calipers. In any case, I want this.
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #442 on: November 15, 2016, 03:25:33 AM »

Nice.  Brian you get extra credit for reading a manual for a bike you don't even own.  :)

I have to admit that it took me a long time to really look at the FX manual, or manuals before 2013, but there's interesting stuff in there if you have a relaxed eye.

The 2017 Owners Manuals are posted now.

One thing I noticed on page 3.21 is a parking brake lever on the left handle controls. It's described conditionally, and I haven't noticed one in photos or one in person look around at the bike. Keep an eye out for this!

I misread the diagram! It's on the inside of the right handlebar and the lever swings outward to cover the mode switch, basically a nicety to keep you from trying to use the throttle while the lever is engaged.

Page 6.14 lists maintenance for the parking brake, so it's easy to figure out how it works:

The lever pulls the rear brake calipers against the pad using the cable. The maintenance is just to adjust cable tension like a clutch cable needs (probably worth a tiny bit of cable lubricant once a year as well). So, I think it avoids stress on the hydraulic system.
Maybe it's like the Silverwing scooter I used to have. There was another rear caliper, controlled solely by the parking brake cable. The handle was down under the "dash" on the right hand side and there were a few times I forgot to release it. "Damn, how come this thing has no power! ... Doh!"

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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #443 on: November 15, 2016, 03:28:10 AM »

Maybe it's like the Silverwing scooter I used to have. There was another rear caliper, controlled solely by the parking brake cable. The handle was down under the "dash" on the right hand side and there were a few times I forgot to release it. "Damn, how come this thing has no power! ... Doh!"

Yes, I just corrected my post for this once I realized where the diagram was indicating on the disc. Good catch, and quite possibly Zero just sourced an existing model that matches what Honda has.
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #444 on: November 15, 2016, 09:57:09 AM »

It would've been better if they copied the parking brake concept from the BMW maxi-scooters.  The parking brake is automatically engaged when the sidestand is deployed.  Since the bike won't even run until you lift the sidestand there is no way you could ride off with the parking brake engaged.
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« Reply #445 on: November 15, 2016, 10:13:56 AM »

It would've been better if they copied the parking brake concept from the BMW maxi-scooters.  The parking brake is automatically engaged when the sidestand is deployed.  Since the bike won't even run until you lift the sidestand there is no way you could ride off with the parking brake engaged.

Sounds annoying if you're trying to roll the side stand to a specific place.
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #446 on: November 15, 2016, 02:34:37 PM »

Ok, so I also read through the manual for the DSR 2017. Here it seems to be obvious that there is a torque difference 146 vs. 157 between
the Europe versions and the "rest of the world" DSR bikes. Not sure what is the reason for this difference, but it sounds odd to me.
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #447 on: November 15, 2016, 03:09:49 PM »

Ok, so I also read through the manual for the DSR 2017. Here it seems to be obvious that there is a torque difference 146 vs. 157 between
the Europe versions and the "rest of the world" DSR bikes. Not sure what is the reason for this difference, but it sounds odd to me.

Yeah i've seen the 146nm on the german page too. I sent them a mail but never got an answer. Why would they reduce the nm for europe? Its the only thing that would push me towards an upgrade. Has anyone more informations for us europeans?

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Seems for me that they did not change the power for eu, but that the reading of the power regarding the Regulation UNECE No. 85 https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/updates/R085r1e.pdf measures it differently or over longer time?!
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #448 on: November 15, 2016, 05:23:15 PM »

The EU models aren't any different to the US models concerning the power mapping. The difference is a result of different regulations regarding power& torque measurement. I think kashography is right, the measurements are over a longer time. 157nm is the peak torque which applies only for a few seconds, I guess until the motor throttles down, especially when it gets hotter.
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Re: Zero 2017
« Reply #449 on: November 15, 2016, 06:53:50 PM »

I also hope that kashography is right with his assumption. But then Zero should clearly advertise the peak torque value as 157 Nm. Otherwise this could irritate potential buyers.
Why not giving both values, peak torque and nominal torque? Would be very clear from my perspective.
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