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[Coolio]

It looks like the 2016 FX doesn't have the IPM motor...Why?  If i wanted the newer motor on the FX, would it be possible/worth it to get the FXS and put dual sport tires on it? How well will the smaller tires work for off road trail riding? Any dual sport tire recommendations for the FXS size tires?  Does anyone think the IPM motor would make a big difference for the FX and its dual sport uses?  FX or FXS??

Does anyone think the FXS will have trouble doing Wheelie's as well as the FX, due to the smaller front tire?

[webster]

I have also been waiting for the new IPM motor on the 2016 FX. Unfortunately I have confirmed that it is only available on the new FXS. This new motor has greater thermal capabilities and will not overheat when ridden aggressively. I wanted the new motor for the FX model because I would like to spend some time riding off-road. It doesn't make sense that zero is offering two different motors for basically the same Bike model.

If you plan on riding mostly in the street the FXS is a great option. The 17 inch wheels are much better for the street and yes the bike will still wheelie. Super Moto bikes are really fun to ride. Front suspension has also been lowered by 1.6 inches on the FSX model. Off-road riding on the FSX will be limited. I'm going to wait it out till mid 2016 to see if Zero will stop production of their old FX motor design. Maybe the new FSX motor will start showing up in late 2016 FX models.

[Ranga]

Motor overheating only happens when you've got the throttle pinned open for long periods of time. This mainly happens on the freeways and is extremely unlikely to happen off road.

I have never had any overheating issues even after a few freeway trips. I don't think the difference is great enough to justify modifying an FXS back to an FX just to avoid overheating on off road conditions.

[TJOBriens]

I was about to buy an FX after the dealer told me that there was no difference in the motor.  I live in Arizona where it has not been below 110 degrees for a several months.  I test drove the FX and it started to overheat after only a couple miles of driving in the city. 

There is no way that this motor will be able to handle me off-road in the sand and 116 degree days. That is one of the reasons that I wanted one of these, they don't produce as much heat as my Raptor 700R so I can ride it in the hot summer.

[mrwilsn]

I was about to buy an FX after the dealer told me that there was no difference in the motor.  I live in Arizona where it has not been below 110 degrees for a several months.  I test drove the FX and it started to overheat after only a couple miles of driving in the city. 

There is no way that this motor will be able to handle me off-road in the sand and 116 degree days. That is one of the reasons that I wanted one of these, they don't produce as much heat as my Raptor 700R so I can ride it in the hot summer.

Your dealer is wrong.  The FX does not use an IPM motor but the FXS does.  It's right on the Zero website.  The IPM motor in the FXS will handle hot days much better than the SPM motor in the FX.  Hopefully the 2017 model FX will use the IPM motor.

[BertTrack]

I have a 2016 FX and it overheats going full throttle in about 4 km's. 140km/hr
Then settles around 110/125km/hr depending on the outside temperature.

Agressive riding city will also cause it to heat up to the point where it limits the power (20mins into it for me). But often you don't notice that drop off because you never reach top speed anyway.

Offroad i have limited experience. I just putter around in it.

[mguw]

Agreed that it is easy to overheat the FX off road also.

But what about the wheelie part, does the IPM motor imply no more wheelies???

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Marcel

[Say10 15FX 16FXS]

FXS won't wheelie.....really tired of hearing that BS.

[laramie LC4]

the FX will NEVER get the new IPM motor. zero say's that the bike is what it is and will ride it out until they design a new model. they are also not going to make it easy to buy an FXS and make it into an FX. trust me, i've tried. it can be done, but not cheap and not easy.

i would expect the FX to remain the same until they run out of parts and old motors they need to use up.

my $.02,

laramie 

[NEW2elec]

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i would expect the FX to remain the same until they run out of parts and old motors they need to use up.
Yep my 2013 battery was one of the first to be replaced so I got an old 2014 11.4 battery, some guys got 2015 12.5s and now they put 13's in them.
They clear out old stock.
But if I could make a suggestion.  Zero does sale the IMP motor by its self so you could swap it out ( high price for just not overheating) or you could get Harlan at Hollywood Electrics to build you one with the SR IPM motor and go like a bat outa hell.
If you chose the later please post videos 

[TJOBriens]

 

JUST HEARD BACK FROM THE MANUFACTURER - ZERO

Their Sales Rep told my Dealer that none of the FX series of bikes had the IPM motor.  I pointed out the website, owners manual, and brochures that all say the FXS and the FXP both have IPM motors. 

The dealer got in touch with some higher ups and verified that all of the advertising is correct and the Zero Reps were not trained and informed properly.  Apparently they don't read there own literature either.

They say that Off-Road riding does not usually overheat the SPM motor so they did not change it but they said that once they have used up all of the SPM motors that they have they will only be using the IPM motors even on the FX.

Here in Arizona I Guarantee that the SPM will overheat with my 300lb fat a** on it.  All summer it was over 110 degrees.

I am buying a gas bike because I will not wait until they pull their heads out of there a**.

They need to at least have it as an option for fat people who live in hot climates.

[grmarks]

It doesn't make sense that zero is offering two different motors for basically the same Bike model.

It makes perfect sense. Its a new motor so its only in one variant of each model. (the biggest monolith of the S/DS/SR/DSR) and the FXS.
If it got a problem zero only have to deal with a subset of models. Plus as stated already, they need to use up the old stock.
The new IPM motor would cost less to make than the old EPM one because it uses bigger ,and a lot less, magnets. Their is about 200 small magnets glued onto the outside of the old EPM rotor.  So every bike will go IPM eventually.
I wouldn't be surprised that in 2017 they are all IPM. This would leave a few spares for the older bikes.

[mguw]

FXS won't wheelie.....really tired of hearing that BS.

Ok  but he seems to pull quite a lot on the handlebar.   Don't need that on my FX.
Will have to go and try one at the dealer...

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Marcel

[MrDude_1]

FXS won't wheelie.....really tired of hearing that BS.

Ok  but he seems to pull quite a lot on the handlebar.   Don't need that on my FX.
Will have to go and try one at the dealer...

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Marcel

Doing a wheelie like in that video is like doing a wheelie on a little scooter. Put your weight high enough, work the bike to bounce it up, and it will go.
But of course its not going to jump up like a clutch up or a more powerful ICE motor bike.

[Say10 15FX 16FXS]

According to the Zero cast about the new motors, I thought it was mentioned that the only difference between the IPM/SPM was the rotor design. The Council of 12 is reviewing the wheelie video, I'll let you all know once they've reached a decision.