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Total Members Voted: 86

[oregonrider89]

Guys,

Please make videos of the install and let us know how it works and how far you can go in a weekend!

I am on a budget right now but plan to buy in April as a birthday present to myself.

Have fun.

[Erasmo]

This is the most bastardized Zero I've ever seen .. SR badging, '15 mirrors, '13 plastics, DS forks/wheels, SR badging .. looks like a size 4 controller
http://www.motorcycle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/On-off1.jpg

That happens to be my bastardized 2013 DS. The mirrors are from a flea market sale that I happened to get in on. We threw on the SR tank plastics because I didn't have power tank plastics on hand. The bike itself will get more bastardized as I customize it further with the 15 flea market finds; hopefully I can make it look better with some paint or vinyl.

May I suggest plastidip? Wonderful stuff.

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

This is the most bastardized Zero I've ever seen .. SR badging, '15 mirrors, '13 plastics, DS forks/wheels, SR badging .. looks like a size 4 controller
http://www.motorcycle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/On-off1.jpg

That happens to be my bastardized 2013 DS. The mirrors are from a flea market sale that I happened to get in on. We threw on the SR tank plastics because I didn't have power tank plastics on hand. The bike itself will get more bastardized as I customize it further with the 15 flea market finds; hopefully I can make it look better with some paint or vinyl.

May I suggest plastidip? Wonderful stuff.

You may! I'll see what option is easiest pretty soon.

[mrwilsn]

Just let Mike at DigiNow.it know it is for a 2012 model.

Would there be any reason the super charger might not work on the 2016 bikes?

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[Burton]

mrwilsn,

The worst case is you can only charge through the controller ... which means you can still do it

[mrwilsn]

Hypothetically, could the batteries handle having two DigiNow Super Chargers hooked up?

Would the bike wiring to the batteries be able to handle the current? Just use a Quick Charger Y Adaptor?

You would need two J1772 outlets or two NEMA 14-50 outlets to get enough current from the grid.

Sounds like a lot of public J1772 only supply 6kW so two Super Chargers would give 12kW.  Up to 20kW from two NEMA 14-50. 20-30 minute charging?

The limits of my wallet aside...what's the limit the batteries and bike wiring can handle? 1 Super Charger? 2? 3? Zero lists the max number of Delta-Q chargers as 4.  I assume that has to do with limiting the number of splitters and the number of outlets all capable of supplying 15A @ 110V that you could reasonably have available to you?

According to AutoBlog, with a 70A 240V connection (I assume this is CHAdeMO) the Super Charger can provide 15kW so it seems like it should at least be reasonable to hook up two Super Chargers both using J1772.

[Doug S]

Hypothetically, could the batteries handle having two DigiNow Super Chargers hooked up?

No. The cells are rated to 1C charging, which the DigiNow charger gets pretty close to. But it doesn't matter; the big Anderson connector is rated for 100 amps, so that's all the current you're going to be able to use to charge the batteries with anyhow.

[benswing]

I saw somewhere online that the bikes would protect themselves if the charging rate exceeded 1C, can someone verify this?  It sounds reasonable (and I don't plan on pushing past that), but does someone know the source of this information. 

AaronZeroMoto, can you speak to this?

[Burton]

I saw somewhere online that the bikes would protect themselves if the charging rate exceeded 1C, can someone verify this?  It sounds reasonable (and I don't plan on pushing past that), but does someone know the source of this information. 

AaronZeroMoto, can you speak to this?

I know inside the ODBII terminal session settings there is a max charge rate ... who knows what happens if you go over it  but I would imagine it would stop the process of charging. The ov_chg_dis might be a way to disable this setting as I don't see an apparent way to increase it from 1.0C less you change the amps per brick ...

Note, I haven't tested any of this and I have no clue what would really be affected if you changed these settings ... so don't do it

From BMS data:

 - Max Discharge Temp        :  60 C
  - Min Power Reduction Temp  :  55 C
  - Min Discharge Temp        :  -30 C
  - Max Charge Temp           :  50 C
  - Min Charge Temp           :  0 C
  - Max Charge C-Rate         :  1.0
  - Min Discharge C-Rate      : 10.0

From "set" data:
 ov_chg_dis      - Override charger disable    :  No
sevmaxchgcur    - Sevcon Max Batt Chg Amps    :  -20 A per brick

[Burton]

Hypothetically, could the batteries handle having two DigiNow Super Chargers hooked up?

No. The cells are rated to 1C charging, which the DigiNow charger gets pretty close to. But it doesn't matter; the big Anderson connector is rated for 100 amps, so that's all the current you're going to be able to use to charge the batteries with anyhow.

If you installed two and detuned their output so they both have the same output and both equal less than 100A charging power you should be fine. This if you plan on using two J1772 or 14-50 connections. If you charge through the controller then you could charge more than 100A if you change some settings in the DVT / ODBII; if I recall correctly.

This would really only be beneficial if you have a lot of J1772 stations right next to each other and you would have to find a location for the second charger but technically it could be safely done.

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

I saw somewhere online that the bikes would protect themselves if the charging rate exceeded 1C, can someone verify this?  It sounds reasonable (and I don't plan on pushing past that), but does someone know the source of this information.

I have heard Brandon discuss this, with the claim that the battery has its own set of contactors which will open in this event, essentially like a circuit breaker.

[MostlyBonkers]

This is a very interesting point. I wonder how Tesla get to charge at close to 2C? I know that they adjust the rate according to the state of charge. Perhaps their cells are designed to take a fast charge. I wish my iPhone would!

[Burton]

I have heard Brandon discuss this, with the claim that the battery has its own set of contactors which will open in this event, essentially like a circuit breaker.

Makes complete sense to do it that way to Good to know, thanks Brian

[Nuts n Volts]

This is a very interesting point. I wonder how Tesla get to charge at close to 2C? I know that they adjust the rate according to the state of charge. Perhaps their cells are designed to take a fast charge. I wish my iPhone would!

Tesla cools the cells while they charge. Basically keeps them at an optimal temperature. They also do more of a constant power charge until like 80% from the current/voltage charts I've seen on the Tesla supercharger


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[MostlyBonkers]

Thanks Nuts, I didn't know about the cooling part.

So perhaps if Zero develop a liquid cooled motor, they could also pipe coolant to the battery pack, perhaps with the help of heat pipes to the individual cells. Not much use when the motor is running as there would be too much heat in the system. Perhaps with the bike stopped and a fan running air through the radiator, the cells could be kept in the 20 degrees Celsius range unless it was a really hot day.

It's probably over engineering for a bike, not to mention the extra cost. Just thinking aloud as it were...