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Hypothetically, How much would you pay for an onboard charger that could fit in your tank and charge your zero in under an hour?

500
- 14 (13.9%)
1000
- 21 (20.8%)
1500
- 16 (15.8%)
2000
- 30 (29.7%)
2500
- 7 (6.9%)
3000
- 7 (6.9%)
3500
- 3 (3%)
4000
- 2 (2%)
4500
- 0 (0%)
5000
- 1 (1%)

Total Members Voted: 86


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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2015, 11:25:02 AM »

Very funny, I was looking at that charger for the past couple of weeks (since delivery of my SR). Nice to know that it is actually a good solution to the fast charging issue !
« Last Edit: October 13, 2015, 11:30:34 AM by Robrecht »
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2015, 02:30:12 PM »

Very cool : D This is what exactly Zero needs to promote on their bikes for fast charging .. love that it can drop into the Power Tank location. Better option than either the Power Tank or the Elcons.

This is the most bastardized Zero I've ever seen .. SR badging, '15 mirrors, '13 plastics, DS forks/wheels, SR badging .. looks like a size 4 controller
http://www.motorcycle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/On-off1.jpg

Does the charger work with low-amp EVSEs, like 15 amp or 20 amp? What about 120V AC input? How does the charger handle switching between the J1772 inlet and a NEMA plug?
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2015, 06:09:00 PM »

2500$
Impressive charge amount per price!!!!
Very cool this is a game changer!!!

Cortezdtv are you talking about the Emotowerks chargers EC didn't work with them in creating or the one he did.


The one EC worked on, at least from all the articles I have seen say this:
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Introductory pricing for the Super Charger is set at $2944, and a very limited number of units will be available in the first production batch.

Correct me if I am wrong of course ;)


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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2015, 09:16:44 PM »

A few more tidbits from an email Brandon sent me late last night:

1) The input connector will probably mount where the frame-mounted Zero J1772 connector mounts, with modular connectors for J1772, 14-50 and hopefully CCS and CHAdeMO to follow soon. It sounds like details are being hammered out even as we speak.

2) The stock charger can remain in place, and probably be used concurrently if there are outlets available, to provide another ~12 amps. Brandon's thinking that many people might want to get rid of the 10 pounds of weight the stock charger represents, but mine will stay in place, both for backup purposes and as my daily overnight charging option. He says the "supercharger" weighs about 20 pounds, so it'll be considerably less added weight compared to the power tank. It'll be interesting to see how they make it weathertight and yet allow some airflow to keep it cool.

3) J1772, CCS and CHAdeMO all have communications protocols, so on those interfaces, the charger will automatically dial its current consumption back to avoid overloading the charging station. 14-50 probably won't need to throttle back.

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm incredibly excited. This is a complete game-changer for me -- I can visit my folks 90 freeway miles from me, I can head out to Palm Springs from where I live near San Diego, I can go on longer club rides. Now if Vetter will just heal up and get some fairings made, we'll be set!
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2015, 09:54:09 PM »

Very exciting news this indeed. If the 2016 models don't offer proper (DC) charging they have a big gap to jump in.
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2015, 10:25:25 PM »

I have charged at Blink J1772 systems before where I could only charge at 3800 watts.  Have seen Eaton systems that would not charge at 6300 watts and had to unplug the internal charger and charge at 5000 watts. Will this system automatically adjust to whatever power level the J1772 system you are charging at can put out? GE Wattstations require communications with the BMS system and as a result will not charge a Zero using the Elcons. Will this system work with GE Wattstations?
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2015, 11:59:09 PM »

Very exciting indeed.  This will make for much funner camping trips, and I'll finally be able to visit friends on Vancouver Island...

To add to Doug's list, here are a few more details from previous emails from Brandon:
  • The input voltage range is 100 - 300 v AC||DC. The charger should support higher and lower, but the best performance will be from this range.
  • It can accept any power in so long as it says what the max amperage is in the protocol it won't trip the breaker.
  • For the 2013 models, the charger will have to be connected to the controller.  Brandon will be helping to install one shortly and "will make sure we have clear documentation on the uber simple install"
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2015, 04:02:12 AM »

Auto Blog picked up the story, which was picked up by the NewsBot on the BMW motorcycle forum that I frequent. 

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/13/diginow-super-charger-electric-motorcycles/

Also Ted Dillard published an article regarding Brandon's creation on his website.  I would provide a link to his story, but I am getting a "data base error" message when I try to visit his site.
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2015, 04:05:54 AM »

  • The input voltage range is 100 - 300 v AC||DC. The charger should support higher and lower, but the best performance will be from this range.
  • It can accept any power in so long as it says what the max amperage is in the protocol it won't trip the breaker.

Wow! That sounds awesome....something you don't need to be an engineer to use....plug it in and the bike just charges at the max rate available.  This is exactly what the market needs.  A product like this is far more valuable than adding another 15 miles of highway range to the battery pack.

I wish you didn't have to take up valuable storage space but the overall design seems to be a very flexible solution for a wide range of applications.

It would be great if the 2016 Zeros dumped the 1.3kW charger and incorporated a similar super charging solution as this without giving up the storage space or needing to fill a top box.
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2015, 11:57:14 AM »

Big thank you to everyone who has ordered already. It is great to see the international response we have gotten. It certainly makes me feel glad I decided that I couldn't be the only one that wanted to charge my Zero at a reasonable speed.

After late nights building prototype after prototype in the Hollywood Electrics Shop drinking beer with Harlan and chatting e power, I realised 3-4 kw just wasn't enough and I really didn't want to carry a lot of chargers the way Terry did on his 1000 lb bike. It's encouraging to see so many people everywhere so excited about this.

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2015, 12:07:01 PM »

Hats off to you EC, Harlan and everyone else that's been involved with this project.

I think it's safe to assume that 2016 models won't be coming with any form of integral fast charging.  As this solution will fill the gap for many folks it will hopefully spur Zero on to provide fast charging as standard. In the year or two it will take them to achieve that, I hope EC et al sell a ton of them and it proves to be a worthwhile effort. [emoji4]
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2015, 05:07:47 PM »

Big thank you to everyone who has ordered already.

How exactly is that done?? I see three different chargers on emotorwerks website that don't fit the description or price listed in the articles I've read.  Also, the article at motorcycle.com says emotorwerks will offer a discount on a Juicebox with the purchase of the charger...how do we get that?
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2015, 05:16:20 PM »

Has anybody ordered one for a 2012 S/DS?

Besides the charger, what else would need to be purchased for a 2012?
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2015, 08:25:20 PM »

How exactly is that done?? I see three different chargers on emotorwerks website that don't fit the description or price listed in the articles I've read.  Also, the article at motorcycle.com says emotorwerks will offer a discount on a Juicebox with the purchase of the charger...how do we get that?

Send Mike at DigiNow.it an email. He'll hook you up.

Let him know your address and model year bike, like 2014 DS, or FX.

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2015, 08:29:42 PM »

Has anybody ordered one for a 2012 S/DS?

Besides the charger, what else would need to be purchased for a 2012?

Yup, while its not our primary market because it doesn't have a tank, just like the FX or XU, you can carry it in a top case.

Just let Mike at DigiNow.it know it is for a 2012 model.
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