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Hypothetically, How much would you pay for an onboard charger that could fit in your tank and charge your zero in under an hour?

500
- 14 (13.9%)
1000
- 21 (20.8%)
1500
- 16 (15.8%)
2000
- 30 (29.7%)
2500
- 7 (6.9%)
3000
- 7 (6.9%)
3500
- 3 (3%)
4000
- 2 (2%)
4500
- 0 (0%)
5000
- 1 (1%)

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #240 on: April 08, 2016, 09:00:03 PM »

Thanks Burton, I appreciate your input on this. You've also cleared up a myth that people always need to utilise the on-board charger in tandem with all external charging solutions. Some may choose to remove the on-board charger to save weight. I'd be inclined to keep it on the bike as a backup.

If two UK sockets were available, as is often the case, the on-board would bring the total charge rate up to just over 4kW. That's a modest improvement over an on-board + Elcon.

Thanks for posting all the info so far Brandon. I hope Zero are able to start fitting your new charger as standard on 2017 models, or at least as an option as an improvement to their current Charge Tank. I think that would make a lot of sense. It would be a little like how they went for the Sevcon 660 to create the the SR after Harlan showed them the way. :)
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #241 on: April 09, 2016, 11:26:20 AM »

Great update!  Quick question, what is the lowest charge rate you can set the charger to(if I understand correctly how it works)?  For us off-griders who some times need to charge slow.  On board(12A) is too high to charge via wind and micro hydro over night.  Tesla can go as low as 5A. 

I know... It's counter to what we all want, but would get me out of a pickle. :-P 

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We ramp the charger clear down to ~100 watts during our top off phase.

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #242 on: April 09, 2016, 11:30:33 AM »

Typo on the site ;)
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This is the most extreme case battery drain, only ever experienced by those who are considered both crazy and ledgendary.

Facing the possibility that my current Chademo setup and my DS might not be friends with each other after all I will opt for this. I do have a few questions:

- What is the extra cost for a mennekes inlet?
- Is it possible to get it installed in a topcase when shipped?
- You mention the charge limits on the site, I have access to 22-43kW Mennekes charging stations, would it be able to squeeze out more power on cold days?

But mostly I'm stoked that the development is getting nearer and nearer to completion, this is a real game changer! ;D

Contact Mike with these questions so they don't get lost. I won't be able to answer right now.

Did you get my email a few days ago about the 3 phase version? Do you have any update?

Lecram, I am not able to give an update on that at the moment, we are going through final testing for release now. Over the past few days we have been catching little things here and there thanks to our awesome testers and pioneers riding their butts off and just trying to make trouble. They are doing a good job making sure we get the best product out.

We should have some news on that just after.

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #243 on: April 09, 2016, 11:36:47 AM »

Running some more high power tests tomorrow. Check, double check then check again when dealing with double digit kW!

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #244 on: April 09, 2016, 01:18:52 PM »

Great update!  Quick question, what is the lowest charge rate you can set the charger to(if I understand correctly how it works)?  For us off-griders who some times need to charge slow.  On board(12A) is too high to charge via wind and micro hydro over night.  Tesla can go as low as 5A. 

I know... It's counter to what we all want, but would get me out of a pickle. :-P 

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We ramp the charger clear down to ~100 watts during our top off phase.
But what is the lowest you can set the charge rate to during the main charge cycle?  I think I can get away with a 5-8A sustained charge @ 120v though thinking 240v might be easier on the inverter.  Just curious not a deal  breaker but would make it easier to charge the bike via alternative sources.

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #245 on: April 09, 2016, 06:23:22 PM »

Via the phone app, you can set the desired wattage to anything you want.  There is a box where you type it in. 

I'll attach a screenshot of revision 7 of the supercharger app.  However another revision is already being worked on that might be finished before the release of the charger so it might look different when you get it.

The white box that says 0.  you type in the desired watts and press enter.  Very handy when plugging into a circuit that has something else sharing outlets and the load.  When on a 20 amp 110 outlet at home, you can set it to charge 50% faster than the onboard charger too.  Very cool feature!
« Last Edit: April 09, 2016, 06:29:10 PM by Electric Terry »
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #246 on: April 10, 2016, 04:42:44 AM »

Thanks Terry for the clarification! 

That's outstanding!  So umm... EC where do I "reserve" one?  Seeing as you won't likely get numbers like Tesla, I would venture to guess every zero owner is going to want one! 

EC you're pretty much a drug dealer at this point!  Lol!  And we are the addicts.  I am for sure!  One ride a day at least (when I can charge), add a supercharger...  Might never come home again!

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #247 on: April 10, 2016, 05:55:40 AM »

Where do I find the dimensions? I'm getting very interested in this myself. 


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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #248 on: April 10, 2016, 04:46:58 PM »

Typo on the site ;)
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This is the most extreme case battery drain, only ever experienced by those who are considered both crazy and ledgendary.

Facing the possibility that my current Chademo setup and my DS might not be friends with each other after all I will opt for this. I do have a few questions:

- What is the extra cost for a mennekes inlet?
- Is it possible to get it installed in a topcase when shipped?
- You mention the charge limits on the site, I have access to 22-43kW Mennekes charging stations, would it be able to squeeze out more power on cold days?

But mostly I'm stoked that the development is getting nearer and nearer to completion, this is a real game changer! ;D

Contact Mike with these questions so they don't get lost. I won't be able to answer right now.

Did you get my email a few days ago about the 3 phase version? Do you have any update?

Lecram, I am not able to give an update on that at the moment, we are going through final testing for release now. Over the past few days we have been catching little things here and there thanks to our awesome testers and pioneers riding their butts off and just trying to make trouble. They are doing a good job making sure we get the best product out.

We should have some news on that just after.

I got it.

I would be happy to voluntary test the 3 phase version here in Europe.
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #249 on: April 10, 2016, 08:44:19 PM »

I went to http://diginow.it/super-charger-for-zero-motorcycle.php

And among lots of good information  I see two columns without a direct explanation.
"If Accessory Port Kit"    "If Controller Kit"

Can I get filled in on what I presume is "generally understood"?

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #250 on: April 10, 2016, 09:41:38 PM »

So I may understand that the charger could work with the 3 phases output we can get here in Europe?
I would be happy to test it in France as well!
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #251 on: April 10, 2016, 09:50:14 PM »

The accessory port has a charge fuse and limits power to safely where a 30 J1772 can deliver.  A controller kit will allow charging from 70A J1772 ports, NEMA 14-50's at home or at RV parks, or to one day perhaps get the dual J1772 input - Wye adapter for 12,000 watts into the charger. 

Don't ask questions about that yet as it is still being developed and a lot of work to do.  If it was easy, someone with a Tesla with a 20 kW onboard charger would have done it already, but I think I know how it can work with one active pilot signal, one cheater plug and a full wave bridge rectifier on each leg so it's only paralleled once it's DC input to the charger. 

However right now, Brandon's testers like LiveForPhysics and I have our hands full so can't even think about that yet.  Like I said before, everything that seems simple always takes a lot longer than you expect, and I know everyone is anxious to get this charger, so we are just working on the reliability of the system and fixing small bugs and going out and testing more all over again till we feel it's 100%.
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #252 on: April 10, 2016, 10:33:30 PM »

Great update!  Quick question, what is the lowest charge rate you can set the charger to(if I understand correctly how it works)?  For us off-griders who some times need to charge slow.  On board(12A) is too high to charge via wind and micro hydro over night.  Tesla can go as low as 5A. 

I know... It's counter to what we all want, but would get me out of a pickle. :-P 

Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk

We ramp the charger clear down to ~100 watts during our top off phase.
But what is the lowest you can set the charge rate to during the main charge cycle?  I think I can get away with a 5-8A sustained charge @ 120v though thinking 240v might be easier on the inverter.  Just curious not a deal  breaker but would make it easier to charge the bike via alternative sources.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

You could have it charge your bike at 100 watts the whole way. 300 watts might work best for that slow charge.

So you take 300watts / line voltage = amps

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #253 on: April 10, 2016, 10:41:25 PM »

Hey guys, I was in a bit of a wreck yesterday and bumped my head pretty good. Lots of blood and all that fun stuff. Testing on JPlugs seems to have passed completely, however testing on the NEMA 1450 needs some more still. That will have to be delayed a few days until I get better.

Also, I will be fine soon. If you guys remember, I broke my spine in 2014 and was back on the track in a few weeks. This is nowhere near that bad.

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #254 on: April 11, 2016, 12:01:45 AM »

Hey guys, I was in a bit of a wreck yesterday and bumped my head pretty good. Lots of blood and all that fun stuff. Testing on JPlugs seems to have passed completely, however testing on the NEMA 1450 needs some more still. That will have to be delayed a few days until I get better.

Also, I will be fine soon. If you guys remember, I broke my spine in 2014 and was back on the track in a few weeks. This is nowhere near that bad.

!!! Glad you're okay; try not to push yourself too hard. You guys seem to be working very intensely but be careful with your body and mind.

I've certainly had some scares in this El Niño weather.
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