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Hypothetically, How much would you pay for an onboard charger that could fit in your tank and charge your zero in under an hour?

500
- 14 (13.9%)
1000
- 21 (20.8%)
1500
- 16 (15.8%)
2000
- 30 (29.7%)
2500
- 7 (6.9%)
3000
- 7 (6.9%)
3500
- 3 (3%)
4000
- 2 (2%)
4500
- 0 (0%)
5000
- 1 (1%)

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #195 on: March 17, 2016, 06:05:13 AM »

Its been a while since the last update, any new info on the timeline for the superchargers?

Funny you mention that I sent EC and his business partner an email yesterday inquiring about being put on a notification or waiting list for round two :)

Haven't heard anything back though.
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #196 on: March 17, 2016, 01:38:35 PM »

Keep us posted Burton!  I too would like to be on the list for round two.

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #197 on: March 18, 2016, 02:42:42 AM »

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #198 on: March 20, 2016, 10:32:55 PM »

I'm curious how this charger works in practice.

Let's say you plug into a really sub-optimal J1772 EVSE .. 208V feed, but actually ~190V due to a long undersized wire run. 30A supply, breaker limited to 24A and the EVSE advertises a 24A limit using the pilot signal (4.5 kW AC).

1. Will the SuperCharger respect the 24A limit and automatically scale down its current draw?
2. Can the current limit be programmed by the user, in the case of plugging into a 208V 30A NEMA socket?
3. How would either of the above work if the user is using the SuperCharger in addition to the 1.3 kW OBC?
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #199 on: March 20, 2016, 10:48:17 PM »

I'm curious how this charger works in practice.

Let's say you plug into a really sub-optimal J1772 EVSE .. 208V feed, but actually ~190V due to a long undersized wire run. 30A supply, breaker limited to 24A and the EVSE advertises a 24A limit using the pilot signal (4.5 kW AC).

1. Will the SuperCharger respect the 24A limit and automatically scale down its current draw?
2. Can the current limit be programmed by the user, in the case of plugging into a 208V 30A NEMA socket?
3. How would either of the above work if the user is using the SuperCharger in addition to the 1.3 kW OBC?


(1) is an interesting question I cannot claim any knowledge of, but the OEM charger it's based on seems smart enough to handle that. I know that the answer to (2) is yes, this is in the product premise, for the reason that not all plugs communicate their limits. (3) may or may not be accounted for in the firmware; it's certainly a good idea to have a toggle-ready setting for it.
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #200 on: March 22, 2016, 02:37:00 PM »

I emailed them and got no response about the status of these (I am order #6), has anyone received theirs yet?
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #201 on: March 22, 2016, 10:37:36 PM »

I recently received a response and they are making progress, but are being careful not to overpromise anything.  Although it would be nice to get updates once in a while. 

AllI can say is that I intend to take a long distance journey again this summer and fully expect to be using my DigiNow Supercharger (#4). 
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #202 on: March 23, 2016, 03:48:47 AM »

It will be interesting to see how these turn out and if I should wait for one of these or I should get a Zero Charge Tank.

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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #203 on: March 24, 2016, 09:43:41 PM »

Hey guys I just picked up a final final production revision of the supercharger, and Charger (my dog) and I rode to LA yesterday from Santa Cruz to test it and it was a blast.  The next couple days I'm working with Brandon to finalize the Bluetooth app for the charger.  It should only be a week or two now before the go ahead to ship is given.  I can tell you this thing is freakin awesome!!!  It took way longer than expected to change and refine so many little things that no one thought of at first, but although that took time (most people are glad that took place over the winter, right?) it's now ready.

For those who didn't preorder in time, you will have to be patient.  The first round of orders from Nov I think will go out first as they will make sure everything is perfect and 100% compatible with every year and model of Zero, and get feedback before starting another round of production.  But those who didn't pre order should still be able to get one in time for a summer road trip.  Look for updates from Electric Cowboy within a week I hope.
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #204 on: March 25, 2016, 04:20:18 AM »

That is OUTSTANDING news, Terry! What kind of charging stations did you use, and how much hardware do you have to carry around to plug into various outlets? Have you seen any compatibility issues yet?
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #205 on: March 25, 2016, 08:38:26 AM »

Thanks for the update Terry!  And thanks for putting in the hours to ensure it is a quality product. I don't want to be stuck in Fargo this summer.  You've seen the tv shows, it's dangerous out there!  [emoji6]


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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #207 on: March 27, 2016, 04:02:35 AM »

It has a product page now at eMotorWerks!

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For motorcycle applications, this charger allows long-distance travel for the first time! Note that for motorcycle applications, you will have to purchase through our exclusive distributor, DigiNow - please contact them here.

Can't wait till this is part of my build. 

I wonder if I could get them to make it so I can unhook the J1772 via anderson connector and hook in my own project box with EVSE circuit so I can charge from 14-50 / 5-20 so I don't have to carry around huge multi-hundred dollar solutions to do what I can already do now :D
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Re: Hypothetically, if you could charge a zero in UNDER 1 hour
« Reply #208 on: March 27, 2016, 09:40:59 AM »

It has a product page now at eMotorWerks!

Mini-SmartCharge-12000 - a 12kW Universal Voltage EV Charger - Fully Assembled & Tested

70A DC output (plus the 10-12 that the stock charger can supply) is a little lower than I was expecting, but the 0-360V output should line up nicely to future motorcycles. At any rate, that's plenty to max out even a 40A J1772 EVSE. Disadvantage is that it can't be split between two 32A J1772 EVSEs, which is somewhat common.

The SmartCharge-12000 the DigiNow charger is based on has an option for 100A DC output. I wonder if DigiNow is offering this on the SuperCharger. There was press coverage talking about 10, 12, or 15 kW output.
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« Reply #209 on: March 27, 2016, 10:21:44 AM »

It has a product page now at eMotorWerks!

Mini-SmartCharge-12000 - a 12kW Universal Voltage EV Charger - Fully Assembled & Tested

70A DC output (plus the 10-12 that the stock charger can supply) is a little lower than I was expecting, but the 0-360V output should line up nicely to future motorcycles. At any rate, that's plenty to max out even a 40A J1772 EVSE. Disadvantage is that it can't be split between two 32A J1772 EVSEs, which is somewhat common.

Demand-side load splitting seems like it'd take more engineering. :/ On NEMA 14-50 outlets, at least a simple splitter can route to the onboard charger for some more amps.

The SmartCharge-12000 the DigiNow charger is based on has an option for 100A DC output. I wonder if DigiNow is offering this on the SuperCharger. There was press coverage talking about 10, 12, or 15 kW output.

It could be that DigiNow is supporting a slightly different spec based on cooling/configuration or just tweaking a few bits.
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