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Total Members Voted: 86

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

Yes, that makes sense. I have to admit being surprised fishing around the 2016 DSR for the Anderson connector because it was just so conveniently placed compared to the 2013. Again, due to some early customer feedback.

[Erasmo]

Although I am going to test a 55 liter top case soon to see if I can hold a helmet and a supercharger.  (or in my case perhaps one day 2 superchargers )

Very interesting because you'll be pushing boundaries(again ) on the batteries. To run 2 superchargers at full power you would at least replace the fuses with larger ones and how will the pack cope with that kind of amperage?

[protomech]

Although I am going to test a 55 liter top case soon to see if I can hold a helmet and a supercharger.  (or in my case perhaps one day 2 superchargers )

Very interesting because you'll be pushing boundaries(again ) on the batteries. To run 2 superchargers at full power you would at least replace the fuses with larger ones and how will the pack cope with that kind of amperage?

If he expands the battery pack it'd be a little gentler to use two superchargers.. add two more ZF3 bricks to a full ZF 12.5 PT bike and you'd have about 20 kWh..

[MostlyBonkers]

Any news Electric Cowboy? Now I've finally got my hands on a Zero, the very next thing I want is a fast charging solution. Can't afford one right now, but I've got a better understanding of how eager your first customers must be to get their hands on one! [emoji4]

[spacetiger]

If they can get close to an hour, the market can expand when recharge stations come on line; say the I-95 corridor.  If you can get a 200 mile ride in, stop for lunch and charge, then go, you can cover ~ 400 miles (or more if you stop again). 

Jerry

[benswing]

To have a 200mi range and a 1hr recharge time we would need a 20kWh battery (probably a bit more) and charging rates of 20kW or better.

The charging stations already exist and are in place now.  CCS and CHAdeMO charging stations all work at 25kW or more.  All we need is a way to access them.  My hope is that Zero has put DC fast charging as their top priority.  #1.

The 20kWh battery seems to be coming.  If Zero (or their battery maker Farasis) keeps making similar improvements, we'll have one by 2020. 

That should be the tipping point.  We'll be able to charge as fast as a Tesla (in miles per hour of charging) using CCS or CHAdeMO as soon as we can connect to them.  Hadn't thought about that before... this is exciting!

[spacetiger]

To have a 200mi range and a 1hr recharge time we would need a 20kWh battery (probably a bit more) and charging rates of 20kW or better.

The charging stations already exist and are in place now.  CCS and CHAdeMO charging stations all work at 25kW or more.  All we need is a way to access them.  My hope is that Zero has put DC fast charging as their top priority.  #1.

The 20kWh battery seems to be coming.  If Zero (or their battery maker Farasis) keeps making similar improvements, we'll have one by 2020. 

That should be the tipping point.  We'll be able to charge as fast as a Tesla (in miles per hour of charging) using CCS or CHAdeMO as soon as we can connect to them.  Hadn't thought about that before... this is exciting!

That's the thinking, now you're cooking with gas...

[NEW2elec]

Ben I still want those 10X future (theoretical) batteries Luke Workman from Zero talked about  "1000 mile range on our four brick set up" that is the true end game. Damn dendrites.

[Justin Andrews]

The 20kWh battery seems to be coming.  If Zero (or their battery maker Farasis) keeps making similar improvements, we'll have one by 2020. 

And Zero will have come up with new and fun ways to blow that power even quicker...
Such as (wicked and scurrilous) rumors that Luke is working on tying two Size 4 Controllers together to build an even quicker version of the SR.

[MostlyBonkers]

Two controllers sounds tricky to me. I'd love to try it though. Perhaps when they implement traction control? I managed to spin up the rear wheel on my VFR at about 70mph going up a slip road to join the A1 the other week. I fear an SR might have thrown me.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I'm wondering if Sevcon are planning/working on a low voltage Size 8 controller, and Zero are figuring out what the implications might be.

[protomech]

Ben I still want those 10X future (theoretical) batteries Luke Workman from Zero talked about  "1000 mile range on our four brick set up" that is the true end game. Damn dendrites.

In that case I want a single brick 250 mile bike with less cost, weight, and better acceleration

.. unless the 1000 mile bike charges more quickly (100 kWh into a Tesla Supercharger should do 0-50% in about 20 minutes, similar to Tesla..)

[MrDude_1]

Ben I still want those 10X future (theoretical) batteries Luke Workman from Zero talked about  "1000 mile range on our four brick set up" that is the true end game. Damn dendrites.

In that case I want a single brick 250 mile bike with less cost, weight, and better acceleration

.. unless the 1000 mile bike charges more quickly (100 kWh into a Tesla Supercharger should do 0-50% in about 20 minutes, similar to Tesla..)

yeah.. even if we had the huge capacity, and the on-board charger that can handle 8C(or whatever) high speed charging... there is still the not-so-small problem of getting electricity to the charger.
Thats the real bottleneck for the cars right now... you COULD charge faster, but the power grid can only supply so much to that location.

[Cortezdtv]

The 20kWh battery seems to be coming.  If Zero (or their battery maker Farasis) keeps making similar improvements, we'll have one by 2020. 

And Zero will have come up with new and fun ways to blow that power even quicker...
Such as (wicked and scurrilous) rumors that Luke is working on tying two Size 4 Controllers together to build an even quicker version of the SR.

Easier than doing dual motors and a controller than can handle it trying to match encoder angles would be basically impossible

With 2 complete seperate systems you only have to "split and amplify" the throttle wires.....


A go kart with 2 fx platforms has been discussed, maybe in the future.... Seems like alot of stuff to break!!!! Like wheels axles everything attached to the driveline


Your playing with fire IMO with 2 motors and controllers on any platform, it would be 150 ft lbs basicslly instantly.... Your gonna be completely traction limited.... But the fun factor im sure would be out of this world...

[benswing]

Ben I still want those 10X future (theoretical) batteries Luke Workman from Zero talked about  "1000 mile range on our four brick set up" that is the true end game. Damn dendrites.

In that case I want a single brick 250 mile bike with less cost, weight, and better acceleration

.. unless the 1000 mile bike charges more quickly (100 kWh into a Tesla Supercharger should do 0-50% in about 20 minutes, similar to Tesla..)

yeah.. even if we had the huge capacity, and the on-board charger that can handle 8C(or whatever) high speed charging... there is still the not-so-small problem of getting electricity to the charger.
Thats the real bottleneck for the cars right now... you COULD charge faster, but the power grid can only supply so much to that location.

New2Elec - Definitely!  If they can fit 100kWh in the same volume as our monolith now, that would be incredible!  Even 250 or 300 would be a game changer.

MrDude_1, there are already chargers along highways that can supply the charge rate we need to get 170mi of range in 20 minutes (50kW, which is a 3.3C charge rate).   That would give us a 3 hour ride with a 20 minute stop to recharge.  I guarantee that my stops will be longer than 20 minutes after riding 3 hours! 

There are 50kW CCS chargers already in the ground and BMW is planning to install thousands more (not an exaggeration) with enough power to charge up to 200kW!  Since electric motorcycles go about 10mi/kWh (at 60mi/hr) the calculations are pretty straightforward.  With today's batteries (about 15kWh) the charging infrastructure can already add 170mi in 20 minutes, we just need a bike capable of utilizing those charging stations.

The future is bright and it is filled with nearly silent burnouts and wicked acceleration!