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Knowing full well that ChaDeMo does not work at all stations, what would you pay for ChaDeMo if it were available now?  In other words, who is ready to put their money where their mouth is?

$1,800
- 12 (50%)
$2,000
- 8 (33.3%)
$2,500
- 4 (16.7%)
$3,000
- 0 (0%)
$3,500
- 0 (0%)

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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #60 on: June 03, 2015, 05:45:26 AM »

I live near DC to give you perspective. We to have more than a couple j1772 connectors with the problem of them not coming in pairs so I can use two at once :/

My charging array does 51 amps with the stock charger but isn't waterproof by any means. It cost about $1200 to build and is very light weight.

Where I actually like to ride is in the mountains where there is very few j1772 and occasional 14-50's which can cost $10+ to use >_< then there are no mans lands where there is no charging at all. What keeps me out of WV is the lack of charging despite being a great place to ride ... This is why I am focusing on streamlining as well. A .5C charge rate while loads better than stock is still slow when you want to ride.

Another idea I am bouncing around is getting an fx for off-road use only then slapping the extra 5k on my SR for more range. Think of it as a Terry light modular build. I would get a larger pack for the SR and a dirt based bike to boot. It will likely cost around 1k to modify the SR to use them though.

Can the CHAdeMO adaptor be made to be more future proof? Meaning if we wanted to use it on a future bike instead of slaving it to our current ones? I know codes change with time but it would be interesting to see.

Doug what I was referring to was the different networks confusing payment plans. Also, while I love plugshare , the app has the potential for so much more given the data it has and it is frustrating not to see the features which would make this a little easier. Being a developer I often wish I had the dataset to make my own tools from >_<
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #61 on: June 03, 2015, 05:54:48 AM »

From what I've watched, I'd imagine Burton lives somewhere in the midatlantic states near the I-95 corridor.

My house is in NY state, over an hour north of New York City.

The number of CHAdeMO chargers within 30 miles of my home has gone from 0 to 2, soon to be >6 in the span of about two years.

If demand increases, the number of them will rise.

I am still very disappointed that Zero bailed on the CHAdeMO inlet option because of their experience with the providers of the first generation of CHAdeMO chargers.  Having an HCL makes much more sense than dropping the feature outright, especially well after expectations were set and promises were made.
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #62 on: June 03, 2015, 05:57:31 AM »

It does not include installation, however it may be plug and play.

Burton lives in Northern Virginia near Washington, DC.  Tons of CHAdeMO between him and Maine.


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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #63 on: June 03, 2015, 08:55:04 PM »

Doug what I was referring to was the different networks confusing payment plans. Also, while I love plugshare , the app has the potential for so much more given the data it has and it is frustrating not to see the features which would make this a little easier. Being a developer I often wish I had the dataset to make my own tools from >_<

I'd certainly agree with that, too. Any app where you're relying on customer comments, and squinting at low-res photos trying to figure out what's going on, isn't a very well-developed app. They need to provide a LOT more specific information about charging centers.
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #64 on: June 04, 2015, 02:50:43 PM »

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"We will reconfigure the battery to be in a "charging state" for a higher voltage. We will have to use smaller relays.

It does not include installation, however it may be plug and play.

Burton lives in Northern Virginia near Washington, DC.  Tons of CHAdeMO between him and Maine.
That doesn't seem to match.

Personally I shouldn't bother with messing with the setup of the monoliths to adapt for the few Blink stations that don't support Zero's. If you accept that you can't charge at very few stations you more or less only need the ChaDeMo plug, the pcb that talks to the charger and the cables going to the terminals right?
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #65 on: June 04, 2015, 05:29:09 PM »

I am wondering what the price would be with a setup like Erasmo mentioned.  I would rather not reconfigure the pack.
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #66 on: June 04, 2015, 06:21:44 PM »

Side note: Charging at a higher voltage should decrease the charging time but the older Zero's that had the official ChaDeMo-inlet reported charging times of less than half an hour to get to 80% so the decrease in time should be not so big.
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #67 on: June 04, 2015, 08:47:49 PM »

I know this is the 2013+ forum  . . . but since my wife has a 2013 and the NY State Thruway just announced they are installing CHADEMO chargers at several rest stops  . . . might be worth it to us if the charger would work with both her 2013 and my 2012.

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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #68 on: June 04, 2015, 10:06:16 PM »

Based upon what I've read, the 2014 and 2015 DS/S/SR have a 100A fuse on the battery terminal line as far as I know, the fuse for that terminal on the 2013 is much lower amperage.  The 2013 would have to be modified to have full charge capability.
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #69 on: June 04, 2015, 10:18:39 PM »

Side note: Charging at a higher voltage should decrease the charging time but the older Zero's that had the official ChaDeMo-inlet reported charging times of less than half an hour to get to 80% so the decrease in time should be not so big.

it is possible to achieve the same charging time with AC chargers, but then you have to carry a load of chargers with you
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #70 on: June 04, 2015, 10:23:17 PM »

Side note: Charging at a higher voltage should decrease the charging time but the older Zero's that had the official ChaDeMo-inlet reported charging times of less than half an hour to get to 80% so the decrease in time should be not so big.

it is possible to achieve the same charging time with AC chargers, but then you have to carry a load of chargers with you

Wouldn't a half hour charge be a 2C rate? To get this with an RSP stack to 90% would require at minimal 8 chargers and 3 to 4 J1772 connectors at 30 amps each. But it isn't water proof by any means lol


Based upon what I've read, the 2014 and 2015 DS/S/SR have a 100A fuse on the battery terminal line as far as I know, the fuse for that terminal on the 2013 is much lower amperage.  The 2013 would have to be modified to have full charge capability.

For the 2013 you just wire your own Anderson connector to the controller and manually trip the contactor with the 100kOhm trick from existing connector. This is how I get around the 30 amp limit since I am charging at 40 through my RSP stack and 10 through the stock stack.
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #71 on: June 05, 2015, 01:38:34 AM »

We have 3 phase 22kW charge points here in Europe, Burton ;)
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #72 on: June 05, 2015, 12:34:29 PM »

We have 3 phase 22kW charge pints here in Europe, Burton ;)
Yup better known as the mennekes plug:



http://www.mennekes.de/uploads/media/Type2_with_Shutter_01.pdf

Thats more or less the AC standard here in Europe.
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Re: Who wants ChaDeMo
« Reply #73 on: June 05, 2015, 08:28:46 PM »

Oh, that is a big one.   ;)
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« Reply #74 on: June 05, 2015, 09:13:22 PM »

Oh, that is a big one.   ;)
Well they have to be able to cope with the 43kW running through it.
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