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[Doug S]

...as long as I didn't have to carry around some large gun-like connector device that takes up a lot of useful room in my saddlebags.   

Agreed. That J1772 connector is terrible, as is the CHAdeMO connector. Monstrously huge for what they do. Tesla's supercharger connector is half the size and can supply many times the current.

I REALLY hate to say it (http://xkcd.com/927/), but we need a better standard, and one that everyone will comply with. Tesla's solution would be fantastic, I love their connector and it seems like they're electrically compatible as well, but they're placing their stations all wrong for our needs -- they're catering to vehicles with 200+ mile range, traveling cross-country between cities.

[MichaelJ]

Definitely ready for a ChaDeMo-capable e-motorcycle here in the Pacific Northwest, where we have AeroVironment, Blink, Eaton, and recently eVgo ChaDeMo stations.  The L2-capable Brammo Empulse is a fun stopgap, though.  Every AeroVironment ChaDeMo along the West Coast Green Highway is accompanied by an L2. 

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150316006199/en/Gov.-Inslee-Bellevue-Nissan-Open-EV-Fast-Charging&ved=0CDAQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNE6NcFIDJAKdMdtzkOScyipRF7jWA&sig2=8CCs-PVLdiv1AXGBsAzEVg

Ben, good luck finding a homegrown ChaDeMo accessory!  However, given the precedent shown on this site, it might not be too long before someone gets involved.

Then again, there's also hope for whatever Polaris/Victory hope to bring to market.

[benswing]

If you are interested in this, be sure to check out:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ElectricMotorcyclers/

or

https://www.facebook.com/groups/zmcowners/

and respond to Tony Williams' post about looking into CHAdeMO for Zero Motorcycles.

Let him know if you are interested in buying it at his price point!

[ultrarnr]

Ben,

I am not on Facebook. Mind copying the details into another post here? Thanks.

[Burton]

CHAdeMO for ZERO motorcycles - this seems to come up frequently recently, and I have been asked by a group of ZERO owners to build a CHAdeMO charging option for the ZERO.

It is likely to cost about $2500, so the question becomes, who would be interested in this for their bike?

I'm providing this link to our company, so that you can get a flavor for what we've already done:


 http://shop.quickchargepower.com/JdeMo-for-Rav4EV-JdeMORav4…

Please post here so we can discuss this, but also feel free to share on other ZERO motorcycle related sites. You can contact us at:

JdeMO (((@))) QuickChargePower (((daught))) com

Here are some questions from the Electric Motorcycle Facebook forum:

1) Will it charge my 66-100 volt motorcycle? Yes, when we reconfigure the battery in a "charging mode" at a far higher voltage

2) Can't I just sue or get a law to make CHAdeMO work with ZERO motorcycles? Sure, see ya in ten years; let me know how it worked out.

[benswing]

Ultrarnr send him an email.  He wants to hear from us.  He made my NEMA 14-50 cord.


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[MichaelJ]

Thanks, Ben.  Replied to his fb post.  Sounds like he's in need of a loaner Zero to experiment on.  Will be looking forward to the results of his investigation.

[ultrarnr]

Ben,

I sent him a message. $2500.00 is pricy but I also realize the CCS for the EGO is a bit over $2400.00. In the end it really changes your ability to travel with the bike and can save a lot of hours in charging time.

[Doug S]

So I've been looking rather seriously at these power supplies to build a J1772 recharging system out of:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/TYCO-AC-3000-52-48V-3000W-1RU-DC-Rectifier-Power-Supply-AC-3000-48-CASE-OF-2-/321709429496?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae76052f8

Then I noticed in the data sheet (http://www.datasheetlib.com/datasheet/164652/ac-3000-52_lineage-power.html ) that it says it's "designed for ac and dc inputs", which most likely means it has an oversized full-wave rectifier on the front end. Hmm....so I could tell a CHAdeMO station I'm a 240V battery, tell it I need no more than 100 amps (which would be plenty to run two of these power supplies off of), it would presumably go into CV mode, and I could run the two power supplies off of the 240VDC to charge my bike at its actual voltage.

I'm not going to do it, but it's an interesting possibility. Take THAT, non-compliant CHAdeMO stations!

[DynoMutt]

Based on the label for that PS, it DOES NOT take DC input.  The cycle range is 47-63 hz AC which covers Europe (50hz) and North America (60hz) and substantial variance above and below.  The output is 48VDC, indicating it is compatible for use with telecomms equipment that is typically on a 48VDC rail.
 

[Doug S]

Look at the data sheet, DynoMutt. It specifically states it's designed for AC or DC input.

I'm an EE that's certified lots of industrial equipment in my day, and those labels are pretty much just boilerplate -- anything out of the ordinary makes people nervous, so you wind up just going with the standard verbiage that applies. 47-63 is considered "universal" and therefore pretty much ubiquitous, but it doesn't rule out DC compatibility.

[Burton]

Worth mentioning as I just checked. The RSP-2000 series also have this addition in the pdf document under INPUT

90 ~ 264VAC 127 ~ 370VDC

But it kind of defeats the purpose of CHAdeMO.

Oh look, a CHAdeMO station! Let me pull over and charge.
Huh, what? It won't accept my low voltage setting. Well I will show them, let me unhook the mains from my controller and attach them to a auxiliary panel I made for this purpose to power my two 7kw chargers since I can't seem to find any J1772 connectors and I had noting better to do than carry my external charging array with me!

HA!

[Doug S]

But it kind of defeats the purpose of CHAdeMO.

Oh look, a CHAdeMO station! Let me pull over and charge.
Huh, what? It won't accept my low voltage setting. Well I will show them, let me unhook the mains from my controller and attach them to a auxiliary panel I made for this purpose to power my two 7kw chargers since I can't seem to find any J1772 connectors and I had noting better to do than carry my external charging array with me!

lol...point taken, and I already said it was just interesting, not compelling enough to actually bother with. But I was thinking more along the lines of installing those power supplies as a "charge tank" sort of thing like Brandon's doing, but with two inputs, a J1772 connector for level 2 charging if a 35A+ station is available, and a CHAdeMO connector if that's what's available instead. Seems like it could be made to work with a little jiggering.

[benswing]

Carrying chargers isn't going away soon.  Even if I had CHAdeMO I would want to travel to roads off the beaten path. 


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[Burton]

Does anyone have details on how to install the CHAdeMO on the 2013 bike?

I think the main issue with the installation revolved around "tricky" wiring and or placement of the relays.

I think if you can fit 7k into a tank with a J1772 and a CHAdeMO that would be great.
I suspect I will end up with 1C worth of charging when I start getting more serious about touring with the bike.

But first I am going to streamline it since the increased range is worth more than the chargers