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[ultrarnr]

Another option may be for everyone who really wants a CHAdeMO kit for their Zero to contact Harlan at Hollywood Electrics about it. If there is enough interest to make the development worth it then Harlan might be willing to build CHAdeMO kits.

http://hollywoodelectrics.com/

[benswing]

That thought occurred to me yesterday.  Will check in with Harlan about it soon.   I know he feels that fast charging will be the way to go eventually, but am not sure what technical hurdles exist.


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[protomech]

http://shop.quickchargepower.com/

I wonder what would prevent their RAV4 CHAdeMO solution from working on the Zeros.

The QC vehicle-side would need to be customized to talk to the vehicle BMS, as well as asking for a safe input voltage and current for the batteries given installed capacity, SOC, age, cell temperature, etc.

It would likely be much easier for them to make the RAV4 QC talk to the MB B-class than the Zeros, for example. I would expect that to be the second vehicle they support, if there is interest.

[Richard230]

Speaking of fast charging, Ted (you know who he is, right     ) has just published this article on his web site.  It shows an Energica Ego getting some fast electrons at a charging station:  http://insideevs.com/energica-ego-fast-charge-video/

[protomech]

There are a number of inflection points in the electric motorcycle industry. IMHO.

2008 Brammo Enertia was the first "mass-production" electric. Not the first electric motorcycle, but the first built with the intent of mass production rather than one-off assembly.
2012 Zero S ZF9 was the first "long range" production electric. 100+ miles in city riding.
2015 Energica Ego is the first "quick charge" production electric. 20 kW DC, claiming 3 miles per minute [in city riding].

CCS is still rare on the ground in the US, but it's picking up speed in both the US and Europe. Presumably, the traditional manufacturers tinker with prototypes while waiting for EV technology and demand to reach a tipping point; similarly, Zero is tinkering with fast charging and ~100V electrics while waiting for quick charge infrastructure to reach a tipping point.

[ultrarnr]

Greenlots is installing a lot of dual CHAdeMO/CCS chargers in North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina. There are now enough that I could travel around NC with CCS. But heading north will be a challenge as CHAdeMO still rules.

With Zero canceling CHAdeMO the Ego is getting a second look.

[Richard230]

This caught my attention:  Cycle World magazine in their May 2015 issue published a two-page article regarding the 2015 Zero line (interestingly, they didn't care much for the handling of the S/SR models but preferred the DS model, instead) . In a sidebar to the article, they show the "Energica Ego 45" as costing $68,000 USD! At that price (if it is correct), you would expect CHAdeMO and a lot more.    They also showed (as competing brands for the Zero) the Lightning at $38,000 and the LiveWire at a price to be determined.

[kingcharles]

The Ego is a little over 30 Euro.  So I assume also between 30 and 40k US $
The Ego 45 is a limited edition.

[Lecram]

Do someone know this guy? He convert BMWs into EVs and added Chademo to a 5-series. I just sent him a message if he can do this for the Zero, too

[Lecram]

The majority of Dc chargers in Holland, and I think in Europe, are from ABB and Efacec. These support 50-500VDC, so these should be able to charge a 'low voltage' Zero battery

[benswing]

In a sidebar to the article, they show the "Energica Ego 45" as costing $68,000 USD! At that price (if it is correct), you would expect CHAdeMO and a lot more.    They also showed (as competing brands for the Zero) the Lightning at $38,000 and the LiveWire at a price to be determined.

The Energica Ego is being advertised in the US for $34,000 and it includes CCS charging, not ChaDeMo.  (CCS is what the BMW i3 uses and what Volkswagen & Chevy plan to use in the future). 

Lecram, please let us know if you can find someone who can make a ChaDeMo adapter for us!

[Joar79]

The majority of Dc chargers in Holland, and I think in Europe, are from ABB and Efacec. These support 50-500VDC, so these should be able to charge a 'low voltage' Zero battery

Yes they do, ABB have tested all their chargers with the Zero bikes. I would SO hope Zero would open their eyes for this. I will tell everyone that asks me about my bike that it does not have any fastcharge before Zero gets their finger out and produce CHAdeMO sets for us with Zero SR again. It makes me horribly sad. It limits my use of the bike quite a lot. Please, please Zero, listen to us customers. Make CHAdeMO sets! If we know that a few stations are not compatible I dont see the problem.

[ultrarnr]

I think the only hope of seeing CHAdeMO for a Zero motorcycle is through Hollywood Electrics or some other after market company.  http://hollywoodelectrics.com/ Maybe we all need to start talking to Harlan about this.  For example Hollywood Electrics sells L2 Charging systems for Zeros and while I love mine I also know it doesn't work on all L2 systems out there such as GE Wattstations and PEP systems. If Harlan builds a CHAdeMO for Zero it isn't going to work on Blink and Aerovironment systems. For me and many others on this forum that isn't a big deal either. Harlan is obviously willing to take risk on the L2 systems so I would hope he would feel the same way on L3 systems. Zero clearly isn't which is also why I don't see Zero ever coming out with L2 charging for Zero motorcycles.

Joar79, I know exactly how you feel. I live in North Carolina and the CHAdeMO systems here would work with a Zero as will most on the east coast of the US.

[togo]

The majority of Dc chargers in Holland, and I think in Europe, are from ABB and Efacec. These support 50-500VDC, so these should be able to charge a 'low voltage' Zero battery

Yes they do, ABB have tested all their chargers with the Zero bikes. ...

Which interface did they use?  The elusive Zero prototype?