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[bigd]

"Sorry for the off-topic mini-rant." No need to apologize as the M5 is an awesome vehicle. Runs and rides like a  dream and is a beautiful car. As is the P85.

[lolachampcar]

MJ,
You are spot on.  The M5 is a much better track car and will always be "faster" when it comes to MPH.  I'm a true nerd at heart and have always been a piston guy (check out my web site and you will understand www.lolachampcarc.om).  One drive of the P85 demo and I knew I was screwed forever.  Sure, the M5 is faster in an outright sense but can not even begin to compare in a day to day live with it daily driver sense. 

Torque in a daily driver rules.  Having all the torque all the time is simply unheard of in an ICE.  The shear joy of hovering my foot over the accelerator then gently depressing as soon as the light turns green is an every day experience.  Without drama you leave everything way behind you.  You need only pay strict attention to anyone trying to make the light from the left or the right as you end up in the intersection unnaturally fast.  The very same applies to driving along steady state and deciding you want to be in that lane in that opening.  You simply depress the accelerator and you are there.  The only ICE experience I have ever had (on the street) that came remotely close was an old Kaw 750 turbo which cruised on the interstate in boost.  You adjust the throttle and you adjusted your speed with the same directness of the Tesla.  This is the capability of electrics that ICE simply can not achieve in any reasonable or acceptable fashion.

WRT the technology and comfort features, you are 100% spot on but then I never ordered my M5s with Hud or any of the other electric gadgets.  It simply was not something I valued.  I do value good seats and that is one of the reasons I sold my P+ when I ordered my P85D.  The nextgen Recaro seats in the new Tesla are a dream and a much needed improvement.  Of course, Tesla is also implementing interstate on ramp to exit ramp auto pilot which will surpass BMW and MB but, again, that is really not my bag.  I guess if I were to go for the electronics side, the AP would be my choice.

   second half of the vid

I can understand the BMW love.  They started to loose me when they went to the V10 then more so when they based the new M5 on the Seven Series chassis so I guess I was just easy pickings.

[MichaelJohn]

I agree with you on the instant torque, there's nothing like it. I am on the verge of writing love poems to the Zero because of it. Part of the enjoyment for me in my M5 is the lightning-fast double clutch transmission along with the amazing tachometer display in the HUD. When the speed and the revs are right with the turbos spooled the acceleration is mind blowing for such a big and heavy car (most current gen M5's dyno over 600 hp). It definitely does demand more driver involvement - sometimes I like that, and sometimes I'd rather just twist the throttle on the Zero. I consider myself lucky to have both. I know this isn't the right forum for it but I would love to hear a drive report when you get your P85D. I was in the local Tesla dealership recently and they said that people are taking delivery now. Nearly 700 hp and 700 foot pounds of torque with AWD - what's not to love?

[zax123]

So... although I love a good Tesla conversation being an owner and all, I'd love to know if anyone knows what the fast charge option is on the Zero.

[benswing]

Right now you can add 5kW of chargers from Hollywood Electrics and get a total of 6.3kW including your onboard charger.  The 2013-14 bikes have a ChaDeMo connection , but they don't like to sell those since some ChaDeMo chargers don't work at our voltage (slightly under 100V.). Otherwise make your own.


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[MichaelJohn]

So... although I love a good Tesla conversation being an owner and all, I'd love to know if anyone knows what the fast charge option is on the Zero.

Sorry 'bout that. No more car talk.

[protomech]

Right now you can add 5kW of chargers from Hollywood Electrics and get a total of 6.3kW including your onboard charger.

I'm curious if anyone has actually done this, using 5 kW offboard chargers in conjunction with the onboard charger on 2013+ Zero. The onboard charger won't cut a significant amount of time off the charge, but in theory it's "free". Most posts I have seen describing the 5 kW charger setup do not use the onboard charger at all.

Edit: ultrarnr pre-emptively answers my question here:

Just a reminder for those contemplating building a charger for the Power Tank compartment. You can not charge at 6.6kw from every L2 station. If you build a 6.6 kw charger you are going to need to have it set up to be able to charge at reduced levels. With my SR I have 2 2500 watt Elcons and can use the internal charger for a total of 6300 watts max. But sometimes when I plug all of that in I will trip the breaker on the L2 station. So sometimes I have to disconnect the internal charger and can only charge at 5000 watts. ...

lola - do you notice the (small) increase in weight from your 2013 DS (392 pounds per specs) to the 2015 SR (414 pounds)?

[benswing]

I'm curious if anyone has actually done this, using 5 kW offboard chargers in conjunction with the onboard charger on 2013+ Zero. The onboard charger won't cut a significant amount of time off the charge, but in theory it's "free". Most posts I have seen describing the 5 kW charger setup do not use the onboard charger at all.

Every little bit helps!


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[CrashCash]

Just got my own '14 SR today. Of course it's raining its ass off out there, so I had to ride a powerful unfamiliar bike on new tires in the wet. It wasn't that bad though.

And of course yesterday's forecast for today was "sunny and warm!"  The NWS needs to put the crack pipe down.

Anyway, I had NO sleep last night because the dealer called yesterday to say the bike would be ready after a 24hr charge and their test ride, so I am going to go collapse now.

I noticed a couple spelling errors in the manual but that's my OCD kicking in...

[MichaelJohn]

Just got my own '14 SR today. Of course it's raining its ass off out there, so I had to ride a powerful unfamiliar bike on new tires in the wet. It wasn't that bad though.

And of course yesterday's forecast for today was "sunny and warm!"  The NWS needs to put the crack pipe down.

Anyway, I had NO sleep last night because the dealer called yesterday to say the bike would be ready after a 24hr charge and their test ride, so I am going to go collapse now.

I noticed a couple spelling errors in the manual but that's my OCD kicking in...

Congratulations! it's about time you got your bike. You did get a '15 though didn't you? Is your manual for the '15 or for last year's model? Mine is for last year's - they told me the '15 manual wasn't ready yet.

Rubber side down!

[lolachampcar]

Pro,

I did notice it seemed a little heavier but the SR is lower and the suspension is sublime which more than masks any weight increase for me.

As for car talk, its my thread and it is perfectly welcome
The 12c is my first dual clutch car....  neat stuff

[CrashCash]

Congratulations! it's about time you got your bike. You did get a '15 though didn't you? Is your manual for the '15 or for last year's model? Mine is for last year's - they told me the '15 manual wasn't ready yet.

Yes, I got the '15 but the manual is still the '14 edition... but it's newer than the one in the "owner's info" section of Zero's site.

It's got a whole 16 miles on it now!   Now to endure the "search for insurance" as GEICO quoted me half of Fort Knox.

[jheth]

I got my 2015 SR last Friday. No hardcopy manual, just a 2014 softcopy (PDF on a thumb drive). Looks like the 2015 manual isn't ready yet.

[lolachampcar]

Progressive here for insurance (liability only).  They have no problem with the Zero and seem reasonable.

BTW, I've got over a thousand miles on my bike already and simply love it.  It works soooo much better than my 13DS; well worth the upgrade

[NoiseBoy]

Pro,

I did notice it seemed a little heavier but the SR is lower and the suspension is sublime which more than masks any weight increase for me.

As for car talk, its my thread and it is perfectly welcome
The 12c is my first dual clutch car....  neat stuff

For a minute there when you said 12c I thought you were saying you had a Mclaren , but I'm guessing it's some kind of BMW nomenclature.