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Burton

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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #60 on: November 11, 2015, 06:30:13 AM »

Seems like the wire itself is not rated above 22A.

What wire is not rated above 22A @ 12vdc ?
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #61 on: November 11, 2015, 10:03:49 AM »

Seems like the wire itself is not rated above 22A.

What wire is not rated above 22A @ 12vdc ?

Well, I was wondering about that 16AWG going to the fuse #3. This might be from a different context (my understanding of some electrical
concepts is limited), but this table lists max at 22A : http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
I am also wondering why is the wire coming to the fuse #3 from DC-DC is 16AWG, but going from the fuse is 14AWG...
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #62 on: November 11, 2015, 09:44:37 PM »

The page itself said it is a guide ... and let me show you why.

Lets take that 22A max for a 1' length of 16AWG wire.
Apply 12vdc to it and you get 264Watts
Apply 120vAC to it and get 2640Watts ...

And if that isn't enough to convince you there is a voltage drop to consider.
Throw a load of 22A @ 12vdc over 1' of 16AWG and you could get a 0.5vdc drop at the other end.

Now that said, you are right ... the wires going to the #3 fuse are not 16AWG :) I updated the wire diagram and corrected the numbers going into the fuse box from the DC:DC converter [just looked on the bike to confirm]

All fuses but the #3 are 16AWG, and the #3 leading wire is 14AWG coming from the DC:DC sevcon converter.
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #63 on: November 11, 2015, 09:52:00 PM »

The page itself said it is a guide ... and let me show you why.

Lets take that 22A max for a 1' length of 16AWG wire.
Apply 12vdc to it and you get 264Watts
Apply 120vAC to it and get 2640Watts ...

And if that isn't enough to convince you there is a voltage drop to consider.
Throw a load of 22A @ 12vdc over 1' of 16AWG and you could get a 0.5vdc drop at the other end.

Now that said, you are right ... the wires going to the #3 fuse are not 16AWG :) I updated the wire diagram and corrected the numbers going into the fuse box from the DC:DC converter [just looked on the bike to confirm]

All fuses but the #3 are 16AWG, and the #3 leading wire is 14AWG coming from the DC:DC sevcon converter.

Excellent, thank you for the explanation!
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #64 on: November 12, 2015, 01:32:16 AM »

Burton,

Thanks much for all the work you've done on this print, it's great!

One quick question - is the throttle definitely a two-wire setup (brown & blue only), as shown?

Ray
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #65 on: November 12, 2015, 03:48:06 AM »

Rayivers you are correct there is three >__<

The third I even had tapped off to indicate its destination but it seems I never added it to my spreadsheet!

It terminates at a grouping of wires which lead to the B- on the sevcon controller (which makes complete sense since you can't ground anywhere else for the throttle since it goes right to the sevcon controller inputs)

Updated and added new version 1.2.4 with changes.
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #66 on: November 12, 2015, 04:26:08 AM »

OK, cool - thanks!  I'm in the beginning stages of a Domino throttle swap so I wanted to be extra-sure of the basics.

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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #67 on: November 20, 2015, 02:37:00 AM »

UPDATE: v1.2.5 Corrected pin 32 on sevcon controller (I7) to indicate the digital 7 input function, brake signal.

You can download the updated wire diagram on the first post attachments section of this thread.
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2015, 10:26:06 PM »

I finally got to installing the air horn this weekend, which gave me a peek at the fuse box. Accessory fuse
was #2 (2014 DS), so looks like wiring has changed from the previous year.
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2015, 11:43:07 PM »

I finally got to installing the air horn this weekend, which gave me a peek at the fuse box. Accessory fuse
was #2 (2014 DS), so looks like wiring has changed from the previous year.

My offer still sands. If someone comes to my house with a different year / model I will gather the required information and make a wire diagram specific to that model. ... So far no one has taken me up on this offer :D

I would also be willing to remotely train someone to gather the data for me to use to create a wire diagram as well. (anyone want a winter project?)
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #70 on: November 24, 2015, 02:21:10 AM »

My offer still sands. If someone comes to my house with a different year / model I will gather the required information and make a wire diagram specific to that model. ... So far no one has taken me up on this offer :D

I would also be willing to remotely train someone to gather the data for me to use to create a wire diagram as well. (anyone want a winter project?)

Ah, yeah... you're only 3000 miles (30 charges) away :D
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #71 on: November 24, 2015, 03:35:57 AM »

Hence the offer to train someone remotely ;)

All you need to know how to do is keep a list, take pictures, create labels, and use a multimeter's minimal level functions ;)
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2015, 09:41:01 PM »

pacificcricket,
When you say it is in slot to where is the DC : DC coming into the fuse box ... from the top or bottom?

I ask because on my diagram I have the DC : DC converter at the top and count left to right. If you had it on the bottom and counted left to right it would be slot 2 for you and slot 3 for me ;)
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2015, 10:06:32 PM »

pacificcricket,
When you say it is in slot to where is the DC : DC coming into the fuse box ... from the top or bottom?

I ask because on my diagram I have the DC : DC converter at the top and count left to right. If you had it on the bottom and counted left to right it would be slot 2 for you and slot 3 for me ;)

You're right, I didn't think of the orientation. There was sticker next to the fuse box, from left to right accessory fuse was at #2, but I don't know how it was connected to the converter.
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Re: 2013 S wire diagram
« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2015, 01:50:01 AM »

You're right, I didn't think of the orientation. There was sticker next to the fuse box, from left to right accessory fuse was at #2, but I don't know how it was connected to the converter.

I will have to check my fuse box to see if it has numbers and update the diagram as needed ;)

The BLUE wires coming into the fuse box should be from the DC : DC step-down converter. Not sure if you can see this or can backtrack the wires going to the fuse box to the larger Sevcon DC DC controller (assuming it is external on your bike)
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