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[benswing]

Does the Wh/mile update as you ride?  That is basically the most useful piece of information when attempting longer rides.   Thanks for the photo!

[Richard230]

Does the Wh/mile update as you ride?  That is basically the most useful piece of information when attempting longer rides.   Thanks for the photo!

I think it does.  But with my eyes, I can't really be sure.     Some of that fine print is pretty hard to see while trying to keep an eye on the traffic around me.   

[dc5dd]

This might be a little of topic but related.  Does anyone know how to program the custom mode?  I've read the manual and all it say is to use the app from android but the app doesn't have a tab for custom or sports.  Am I missing something?  Richard sorry if this is off topic I didn't what to start a new thread just for this.

[Richard230]

I saw my dealer work the custom program before I left their shop.  With the custom program you can limit top speed, power, regen with throttle shut and regen under braking - and that seemed to be about all.  The custom program that came from the factory seemed to have 100% power, 100% top speed, about 75% throttle regen and 100% braking regen.  That looked good to me so I left it that way and am not really interested in changing anything at this time.  Besides, I don't own a "smart phone".

[dc5dd]

I saw my dealer work the custom program before I left their shop.  With the custom program you can limit top speed, power, regen with throttle shut and regen under braking - and that seemed to be about all.  The custom program that came from the factory seemed to have 100% power, 100% top speed, about 75% throttle regen and 100% braking regen.  That looked good to me so I left it that way and am not really interested in changing anything at this time.  Besides, I don't own a "smart phone".

Richard do you know if they did that crom a smartphone?

[Richard230]

Richard do you know if they did that from a smartphone?

Yes, the saleslady was using her smartphone that had Zero's app already downloaded on to it.

According to the Zero owner's manual, page 3.15, you can get this app for free from at either the Apple iTunes store or the Google Play store (the appropriate trademarks are noted in the manual    ).  The app will: adjust the Custom mode to alter the bike's performance; can collect and email logs to the Zero support staff; examine the precise SOC of the motorcycle; and examine real time power usage.   In order to do this you have to pair the instrument panel with a Bluetooth-equipped smartphone and they tell you how to do this in the manual.

[amahoser]

You program custom mode in the zero app under settings-drive setup.
On the 2014's, eco mode is no longer programmable. It is now a fixed setting along with sport mode. Custom mode is where you can program your settings.

Jose Soriano

[dc5dd]

Now I'm really confused all I get from settings - drive setup is ECO mode settings.  Unless eco mode is custom mode, which doesn't make sense.

[oobflyer]

Congrats on the new toy Richard!

I'm really interested in your Real World Range experiments. I just got my 2012 ZF9 back from Santa Cruz - they seemed to have found the problem causing my range issues (which have been there since the day I bought it). I'll riding it as much as I can during the next few days to confirm the improved range.

With the advertised range for your bike;  88 miles at 70 MPH, and 106 miles at 55 MPH - I'm sure your expectations are high - mine would be  :-)

Let us know how it goes!

[amahoser]

You cannot program eco mode anymore, it is a fixed setting on the 2014. The 2013 had the programmable mode on eco.  Sport was fixed. But on the 14, the only programmable mode is custom. The app was designed for the 2013 bike so that is why it is labeled like that. I assume a future update to the app will correct that....

Jose Soriano

[Richard230]

Yesterday, I took an easy ride to Alice's restaurant, a 33-mile ride, and the power left showed 60% when I arrived.  I then charged up while I was there for 2.5 hours, which brought the SOC back up to 88%.  I then rode the 40 miles back home - downhill to Pescadero, then up the coast to Pacifica, averaging about 50 mph along the way.  I arrived home showing 18% SOC.  I then put the bike on the charger and it charged for 7.5 hours and 9.15 kWh at the wall.  But it stopped charging at 90% and there were odd flashing white lights at the BMS inspection window. Two white lights in the center would flash, followed by two white lights at the edges in quick succession. The charger had turned off and was not receiving any current.  The light pattern is nowhere to be found in the manual.  The dash display showed another 2 hours were needed to compete charging.  So I unplugged the charger, turned on the bike, there were no warning lights and the white lights went out.  I then turned the ignition off, plugged the bike back in.  It immediately started charging at 1440 watts.  A few minutes later, the charging stopped and the SOC jumped to 100%, where it has stayed all night, with only 4 watts now being drawn from the wall outlet.  Now everything seems back to normal,  but it sure doesn't seem like the BMS knows that there is another battery pack in the system.  My current plan is to keep on riding and see if anything will change with time.   

Currently it is looking like I can't expect more than about 80 miles of secondary road riding before the display will show that power has run out. This is only about 10% better than the range that I was getting on my 2012 9 kWh S under similar conditions.  Right now my thinking is that either the battery wasn't hooked up properly, or the BMS is not recognizing the additional battery pack.   

[zerotracer]

My 2012 ZF9 was running actually as far as my 2013 ZF11.4
The 2013 has a larger battery but also a larger motor.

Real World range on my bikes was :

ZF9 = 123 km. (76 miles)

ZF11,4 = 126 km. (78 miles)

I was running about 80-100 km/h. (50-62 mph.) almost all the way in reasonably bad weather

The real World range on a Zero SR ZF11.4 + powertank must bee about 130-140 km. (80-86 miles), I think the power tank give about 17 miles

[Richard230]

I have three additional thoughts:      My 2014 S has a very accurate speedometer, whereas my 2012 S, not so much - it was about 10% slow.  So it is possible that I am riding faster than I was previously and that uses more power.  Also the 2014 bike is 100 pounds heavier than my 2012 model and that likely also cuts into the range.  Finally, I seem to recall that it took about 1000 miles of riding before my 2012 S really started to get some decent range out of its batteries (or maybe my "range anxiety" started fading).  I know that Zero claims that the battery pack does not require any "break-in", but maybe it does get better after a while. 

The nice thing about riding electric is that I never worry what it is costing me in fuel to enjoy the sport.      Got to go for another ride tomorrow.  It is supposed to be sunny again and there is no rain in sight for the next week.   

[protomech]

88% down to 18% = 70% of a ZF14.2 battery should get you 62 miles @ 70 mph. "Even" a ZF11.4 should deliver 46 miles @ 70 mph on 70% of the battery .. but your power consumption is reasonable given a combination of hills and additional weight.

2.5 hours @ 1.4 kW @ 85% efficiency = 3 kWh delivered, 30% of a ZF11.4 pack and 24% of a ZF14.2 pack. You gained 28% SOC, which seems closer to the ZF11.4 bike.

So my suspicion is that you are correct, the power tank is indeed not properly hooked up.

[DesignerDan]

Although I like the idea of the powertank, I would much rather have the storage compartment. (And the additional acceleration that comes with the lighter bike) The storage compartment is one of my favorite features of the bike. It's so convenient and I use it everyday. I think the range of the 11.4 is good enough. I've never really had a situation where the powertank would have been worth its $2k price tag. Anything more than 100 miles is most likely going to a road trip and the powertank wouldn't be enough to make it "convenient" anyway.

Just my $0.02