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Re: Bad News
« Reply #75 on: October 22, 2024, 06:40:01 PM »

You also have to remember, the USA is, for lack of a better word, kind of a second market,  they sold a lot all over the world, each with their own unique vin numbers etc.  Just because the US numbers may be a bit low does not mean they are not selling bikes,  can anyone get any info on what the EU sales are, or a breakdown by country, what about Oz?  India, Russia?  any sales there,  the UAE?   

just curious

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« Reply #76 on: October 22, 2024, 11:04:04 PM »

Looked up our sales history on Energicas.  We sold 31 new ones since early 2018.  We were one of the very early dealers, and one of the largest ones.  2020-2022 were the hottest selling years.  To put that in comparison, we sell almost that many Aprilias per month, every month.

EV sales really dropped after 2022.  We gave up Zero this year as we went a year without a sale, and we couldn't get parts to properly support the others.  We were a Zero dealer since 2012 and used to consistently sell a few per month, then sales came to a sudden halt.

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« Reply #77 on: October 22, 2024, 11:47:52 PM »

We were one of the very early dealers, and one of the largest ones.  2020-2022 were the hottest selling years.
Did they get in touch with you or EoNY or Tytler's? They needed a lot of money and I'd be disappointed to learn they didn't beat even the unlikliest bushes.
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« Reply #78 on: October 23, 2024, 03:31:23 AM »

Looked up our sales history on Energicas.  We sold 31 new ones since early 2018.  We were one of the very early dealers, and one of the largest ones.  2020-2022 were the hottest selling years.  To put that in comparison, we sell almost that many Aprilias per month, every month.

EV sales really dropped after 2022.  We gave up Zero this year as we went a year without a sale, and we couldn't get parts to properly support the others.  We were a Zero dealer since 2012 and used to consistently sell a few per month, then sales came to a sudden halt.

That is a shame regarding your lack of Zero sales.  :(  About 8 years ago, my Zero dealer in Daly City, CA, (where I bought my 2012 and 2014 Zeros) got in trouble with her Yamaha franchise when she sold more Zeros than Yamahas one year. I was told that Yamaha pulled her franchise and after spending money on lawyers trying to get it back, she finally gave up her Yamaha business, which left her with Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki and Zero. However, it wasn't long before she got tired of all of the problems and hassle running a multi-line motorcycle dealership and threw in the towel, selling her building and property to a Dollar Store and then retired. The Zero business and several of her experienced Zero staff went to SF Moto in San Francisco around 2017, which is where I bought my 2018 Zero S.
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Re: Bad News
« Reply #79 on: October 24, 2024, 01:16:14 PM »

Most recently in the press:

Sales figures too low:  The Italian electric motorcycle brand Energica filed for insolvency on October 14. This means that one of the best-known pioneering brands has become another victim of the lack of interest in electric motorcycles.
Energica's main American shareholder, the fund company Ideanomics Inc, holds 75% of the shares and has now pulled the plug. Energica had been building electric motorcycles since 2009 and founded the Energica Motor Company in Modena in 2014. It ran the FIM MotoE World Championship as part of the MotoGP with its vehicles for four years. High-performance series models such as the Ego sports bike and the EsseEsse 9 and Eva Ribelle naked bikes caused an international sensation, but the sales figures for the expensive e-bikes were always low and the financial situation was always critical. In 2021, the US fund company Ideanomics got on board and when the Experia touring bike appeared the following year, there was a glimmer of hope because sales had risen by 200 percent according to the manufacturer. However, the flash in the pan soon died out again and the desperate search for further investors was unsuccessful.
A court has opened bankruptcy proceedings against Energica. The future of service and spare parts supply for customers is still completely unclear.

Not at all promising  :(
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« Reply #80 on: October 24, 2024, 01:49:25 PM »

Article in Italian magazine, interviewing Gianpiero Testoni about the situation.

https://www.dueruote.it/da-sapere/2024/10/22/energica-cosa-succede-ora.html
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« Reply #81 on: October 24, 2024, 06:24:14 PM »

Article in Italian magazine, interviewing Gianpiero Testoni about the situation.

https://www.dueruote.it/da-sapere/2024/10/22/energica-cosa-succede-ora.html

I don't suppose you could summarise any interesting tidbits for the poor anglophones among us?
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« Reply #82 on: October 24, 2024, 06:36:38 PM »

I don't suppose you could summarise any interesting tidbits for the poor anglophones among us?

Giampiero blamed Ideanomics for closing the tap on Energica, causing the bankruptcy. He also said that he's hopeful another investor will pick Energica up.
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« Reply #83 on: October 24, 2024, 07:32:36 PM »

...to be fair, he also mentions that they have already negotiated with various parties but ultimately no agreement was reached!

and here the official press release from 15th of October:

Energica Motor Company SpA, a manufacturer of high-performance electric motorcycles 75% controlled by the American fund Ideanomics Inc., announces that its Board of Directors meeting held on 14 October 2024 at 3:00 p.m. resolved to enter into a bankruptcy judicial liquidation pursuant to art. 121 et seq. of the insolvency law.

Officially founded in 2014 as Energica Motor Company Srl, and with a design phase that began in 2009, the company has established itself over 15 years as a benchmark for high-performance electric mobility, demonstrating resilience and innovation.

Thanks to its technical know-how, considered the company’s main asset, Energica has introduced four technological platforms to the market and has served as the Unique Manufacturer of the fourth MotoGP electric category, the FIM Enel MotoE World Cup, for four consecutive years. Despite the challenges posed by the global pandemic, Energica achieved record sales volumes and revenues with the launch of the Experia model.

Energica’s entrepreneurial vision has been supported and financed from the outset by its founding partners, who in 2016 decided to list the company in the AIM Italia sector (now Euronext Growth Milan), dedicated to innovative Italian SMEs, to secure the necessary capital for growth that they could no longer sustain alone. The company was listed with a capitalization of €37.3 million.

In 2021, with the investment from Ideanomics Inc., Energica launched the Experia model, achieving record sales volumes and revenues of €13 million, a 200% increase compared to 2021.

In March 2022, Ideanomics successfully completed a voluntary takeover bid, which allowed the shareholders to transform the company into a private entity, making it more free and flexible in managing financing and agile in its growth.

However, the subsequent crisis in the electric market and the decline in sector investments impacted Ideanomics, and consequently, compromised Energica’s investment capabilities.

The company has also faced challenges from the downturn in the automotive market and supply chain, being particularly affected as a small and medium-sized enterprise. The commitment to its objectives and mission has remained steadfast, as demonstrated by initiatives like the solidarity contract aimed at safeguarding workers and overcoming the difficult period.

Despite the efforts from the management in actively and extensively pursuing a search for new investors – always with the aim of preserving going concern in the best interest of creditors – it has

become clear in the last few hours that these alternative options are no more viable, thus leaving the company with no other choice than resolving for the opening of a bankruptcy judicial liquidation, thus allowing repayment of creditors to the extent possible from the proceeds of liquidation and according to pari passu rule and priority rankings.

Throughout its history, the company has consistently invested in its workforce, training staff in the most innovative skills in the electric mobility sector, without making any contract terminations in its 15 years of activity. The founding members have prioritized young talent, collaborating closely with schools and universities across the country and beyond. The average age of Energica employees has always ranged from 28 to 35 years.

Management has guaranteed salaries even during the most challenging periods, where necessary also thanks to the support of the Italian minority shareholders, always with a view to preserving business continuity and in the best interest of creditors and all stakeholders. In the last two years, some employees have voluntarily left the company; these professionals have since been absorbed by major players in the Motor Valley.
This press release is attributed to the founding members of Energica. It is noted that Ideanomics has chosen not to comment.
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Re: Bad News
« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2024, 02:56:31 AM »

An important takeout from that article is they’d already dropped drop 150 to 50 staff (over the same period people started complaining that spares were not forthcoming), but that those remaining 50 were hardcore loyalists with the skills to teach new employees should the organisation survive.
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« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2024, 11:26:34 AM »

Here's the automatic translation of the Italian article:

Energica, all is not lost

What will become of Energica after bankruptcy? All is not lost, as Giampiero Testoni, the long-time technical manager of the Modena-based company, explains. Much will depend on the interest of other companies in the technology developed in recent years

The automotive world, Sergio Marchionne liked to recall, is the most competitive of all. Motorcycle racing is perhaps a little less so, but if we move to the electric motorcycle segment, then it is brutal to say the least. The market is small and subject to sudden changes in the mood of the political world, which complicate the life of any company, let alone those that are struggling to establish themselves.

We had so far seen a flourishing of failures in the United States (the latest case, a few days ago, was Fuell, the latest company to come out of Eric Buell's ingenuity), where, moreover, the philosophy of start-ups is related to our saying "make it or break it" and we know that 90% of the time we end up taking the books to court. Except that the books of these companies consisted of a few pages, while the history of Energica is over 10 years long and full of successes: industrialized motorcycles, sold and appreciated, the adventure in MotoE, contracts with Public Administrations around the world to provide police forces, military and so on.

What will happen now? We talked about it with Giampaolo Testoni, who has been in charge of technical development since the beginning of Energica's adventure and whom we found combative as always.

Giampiero, it is not an easy time. Can you summarize what happened?

"What was said happened: we reached a point where we no longer had the funds to continue. We negotiated until a few days ago with an interested investor, but at the last minute he said no. At that point we filed for judicial liquidation."

At this point, what will happen?

"The liquidator will take matters into his own hands with the aim of selling everything, possibly together, and getting the company going again."

What's inside Energica today?

"There are still 50 employees, much less than the almost 150 touched two years ago but still a substantial number. They are largely the 'diehards' who have been with us from the first hour, enthusiastic and trained people able to restart the company and its technology immediately. This is the real value. Then of course we have patents, we have 60% of a warehouse capable of supporting production for the next two years, we have a good customer portfolio: France alone had already ordered 200 motorcycles for its state fleets."

With all these orders, couldn't we go on?

"60% is not enough to build motorcycles, not even 99% is enough because if you are missing just one of the more than 1,000 components that make up a motorcycle, you cannot complete and deliver the motorcycle. To start again, we have to pay the suppliers that we have not been able to pay in recent months."

That's because the American fund Ideanomics has turned off the taps, right?

"Yes, the fund already has its difficulties at home, it is paying for the difficult moment of electric and some wrong choices. We lacked the money we had agreed on in the development plan, but I still want to remember that Ideanomics was an excellent partner until it had problems: competent people, who know what it means to develop a hi-tech product and who do not just aim to earn within three months, as many stock market investors do. To do the 'delisting', bring Energica back from public to private, it invested 100 million dollars, and put more to support the business during Covid, with all the uncertainty that existed."

It seemed like the beginning of a transformation of Energica from a start-up to a real company.

"Definitely. We started with 3, when we reached 30 we already felt like a lot, but with them we have risen to 150 employees. We were able to industrialize the Experia, based on our second-generation platform. We have done the 'Energica Inside' project to bring our technology to other areas. We started the Electric Motor Valley, Reinova also came to settle here next to us."

Wouldn't you have grown as much with the Stock Exchange?

"No, as I said, the Stock Exchange is made up of investors who today choose you, tomorrow maybe logistics or the food industry. The Stock Exchange is volatile, maybe you even collect half a million or a million euros at a time, but with half a million euros you can make molds for a fairing... With that kind of resources you grow one step at a time, as we had always done. The capital for a new technology is needed all at once, it is Ideanomics that made us take the leap."

Unfortunately, now that you have done so, it is even more expensive to save the company.

"Of course, you have to believe in it. But you don't need a lot of money: as I said, Energica is not an empty box: between technology, orders, the value of the people we have trained in these 10 years, the company is ready to start again and the money it would take is certainly worth it."

Who could buy a company like Energica today?

"Everything is possible, I don't believe in financial investors. I believe in an industrial investor, one who understands the value of this company and what it has done. Someone who possibly makes it restart without taking it abroad, given that many from abroad are frightened by our bureaucracy, our unions, our rules and regulations... doing business in Italy is difficult, but on the other hand, for what we have done abroad, perhaps in the United States, we would have needed three times as many people and resources."

Any motorcycle giants still behind on electric?

"Yes, ideally. We have already spoken to someone, but for one reason or another the marriage did not take place. Either because of fears about Italy, or because of our premium positioning that some manufacturers in developing countries may be less interested in... I expect someone from abroad, in Italy there is the mentality of doing things at home. It is strange that in these 10 years no one has come forward to acquire us, even if only for the technology that you can put wherever you want, from electric cranes to street cleaners. Of course, the best thing would be a motorcycle company, because sooner or later it is clear that we will have to go electric. Just look at the statements of the Japanese manufacturers."

Is Italy in danger of being left behind?

"I don't know. We all know that Ducati is working on the electric motorcycle, the others are not clear. I can say that there is no doubt that we have done a lot to clear the high-performance electric motorcycle. For years, many have made amazing statements and have never materialized, and instead we were the only credible ones: the first to make real high performance, the first in MotoE, the first with Fast Charge, with interoperability with all the plants in the world including those of Tesla... things that not even Harley was able to do when she got into it."

Could a Chinese manufacturer arrive? On the electric car they are far ahead, but the bike is completely different.

"It could. And I don't know if it would be a victory or a defeat."

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« Reply #86 on: October 25, 2024, 03:30:54 PM »

In addition to that, the German motorcycle magazine MOTORRAD has led an interview with Livia. Printed in today's issue  It discloses a little bit more information. Pay attention to the bold underlined larger line at the bottom!

Interview
"I want it to continue - even without me" Livia Cevolini (photo), co-founder of Energica in 2009 and long-time CEO, spoke to MOTORRAD two days after the bankruptcy about the reasons for the failure of the e-motorcycle manufacturer.
There is an eerie silence in the now abandoned Energica factory in Soliera near Modena. Livia Cevolini, visibly shaken but still trying to smile, welcomes us in the showroom, where the range of models is lined up: Ego, Eva, EsseEsse9 and Experia.

Are you sad? Or angry?
Both. Sad because Energica is extremely important to me because a lot of my energy and emotions are in the company.
Angry because we failed not because of the technology but because of the external conditions.
Energica is a small start-up and therefore dependent on the Market, trends and moods. We survived Corona, but then came the wars, the global crisis. In addition, the mood has turned against e-mobility, which is why investors are currently not investing any venture capital here. However, we would have needed fresh capital for the series production of Experia because our majority shareholder Ideanomics is itself in financial difficulties. There was no cash flow from them since more than a year.

Energica was initially a purely family business, but since 2021 it has been 75 percent owned by the US group Ideanomics. Was it wrong to sell?
No. We knew from the start that we did not have the means to finance larger series production. I still find Ideanomics' business model convincing: connecting and financing e-mobility companies worldwide until they get going and are self-sustaining. It went well at first. It was not foreseeable in 2021 that Ideanomics would get into difficulties.

Why did the insolvency come exactly now?
Because, unlike in the last few months, we were no longer in negotiations with a new investor. Then it is legally required to file for bankruptcy if you are already in crisis. For the past year, we have only been able to continue by juggling our resources. Especially it is bitter that the Experia, which we presented in 2022, was very well received.
We had 1100 orders, but we didn't even build half of them because we also need parts from suppliers and didn't have the money for that. If we had been able to build them all, we would have covered our costs in about six months - an annual production of 2000 motorcycles would have been enough to support ourselves. In a country like Germany we would probably have managed it, but in Italy there was no funding at all.

What will happen next?
The court in Modena will appoint an insolvency administrator. And I hope he or she quickly looks for and finds someone to take over Energica. An insolvent company costs significantly less than a running one, so I have some hope. We have patents, a highly developed e-technology like no one else in the motorcycle sector, four e-motorcycle platforms and even another fully developed motorcycle. I will definitely keep looking, I absolutely want Energica to continue - even without me.

What does the insolvency mean for dealers and customers?
The dealers are still there, around 100 worldwide. They are still the contact for our customers, of which there are around 2000. They will continue to be supplied with spare parts, at least as long as they are in stock. After that, either the insolvency administrator will decide whether more parts will be produced. Or, what I would much prefer, a new owner.



For all Europeans: Please consider to buy the magazine!
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« Reply #87 on: October 25, 2024, 04:20:46 PM »

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« Reply #88 on: October 25, 2024, 07:51:23 PM »

I still find Ideanomics' business model convincing: connecting and financing e-mobility companies worldwide until they get going and are self-sustaining. It went well at first. It was not foreseeable in 2021 that Ideanomics would get into difficulties.
Does she really not understand that Ideanomics was and is a penny stock scam?
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« Reply #89 on: October 25, 2024, 09:28:11 PM »

I suspect she's being diplomatic given that she might have a chance of working with any revival that might come out of this, there does seem to be a general view that they actually thought Ideanomics had a well founded base though.
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