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USPS EV delivery truck
« on: September 15, 2024, 03:33:02 AM »

The USPS shows off it new local electric delivery truck as detailed this article.
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Re: USPS EV delivery truck
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2024, 03:33:41 AM »

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Re: USPS EV delivery truck
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2024, 04:08:13 AM »

Wikipedia has a lot more detail regarding the different variants of this truck:

Drivetrain
There are four planned variants: either an internal combustion engine or battery-electric powertrain, both of which will have options for either two- or four-wheel drive.[5] The 2WD ICE model will have 4,112 purchased parts; the 4WD ICE model has 3,995 parts in common with the 2WD ICE model, while BEV variants have 3,297 and 3,196 parts in common with the 2WD ICE for the 2WD and 4WD BEV models, respectively.[1]

Either powertrain option can be built for future orders, and models with an ICE can be converted to battery-electric if required.[54] Ford has been announced as the drivetrain subsystem supplier, including engines, traction motors, and transmissions.[88] Ford Component Sales also will provide Oshkosh with key parts for suspensions and other components, including cabin interiors.[89] The earlier Oshkosh prototype evaluated during testing was based on the Ford Transit van.[84][85]

The ICE will be a Ford EcoBoost 2.0L turbocharged 4-cylinder gasoline engine.[1] At CES 2022, the video display accompanying the NGDV display showed specifications for the EcoBoost and 8-speed automatic transmission that will be used in the ICE-drivetrain variant. The EcoBoost has a peak output of 250 hp (190 kW) at 5,500 RPM and 275 lb?ft (373 N?m) at 3,000 RPM, but this was de-rated to 206 lb?ft (279 N?m) for reliability.[1]

The electric variant has a Bosch-sourced eAxle drive unit[90] and a 94 kW-hr lithium-ion battery using nickel-manganese-cobalt chemistry.[2]:?Table 3-1.3? The eAxle drive unit is a traction motor with an integrated reduction gearbox and inverter. The permanent magnet AC traction motor has a peak output of 150 kW (200 hp) and a continuous output of 70 kW (94 hp); power is supplied to the wheels through the gearbox with an 11.8:1 ratio. The inverter uses silicon IGBT circuitry.[90]

Fuel economy and range
The internal combustion engine (ICE) variant has an estimated fuel efficiency of 14.7 mpg?US (16.0 L/100 km), decreasing to 8.6 mpg?US (27 L/100 km) when the air conditioning is on.[91][2]:?Table 3-1.2? For comparison, the earlier LLV (built 1987–94) and FFV (2000–01) have an average observed fuel consumption of 8.2 and 6.9 mpg?US (29 and 34 L/100 km), respectively.[2]:?Table G-1? The minuscule improvement in fuel economy was criticized by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in February 2022.[63]

The BEV variant has an estimated range of 70 mi (110 km) and a computed consumption of 1.34 kW?h/mi (25.2 mpg?e).[2]:?Table 3-1.3? Although using the air conditioner was not expected to affect the range, using the heater was expected to reduce range by up to half.[2]:?3–2,?3–3? Based on the typical distance driven, it was assumed that only 20% of the battery state of charge would be used each day for most NGDVs; analysis of USPS mail carrier routes demonstrated the all-electric variant's range could accommodate 95% of all routes.[2]:?3–2,?3–3?

Dimensions and capacities
A prototype shown at CES 2022 was 9.5 ft (2.9 m) tall, 19.6 ft (6.0 m) long, and 7 ft (2.1 m) wide.[5] The rear cargo opening measures 49.5 in (1,260 mm) wide and 72.5 in (1,840 mm) tall.[1]

The gross vehicle weight rating of the NGDV with an ICE, including payload, is 8,501 lb (3,856 kg),[2]:?Table 3-1.2? just one pound over the EPA's threshold to be considered a heavy-duty truck, allowing it to avoid more stringent pollution emissions and efficiency standards for light-duty trucks.[91] The estimated curb weight of the NGDV is 5,560 lb (2,520 kg) for the version with a conventional ICE and 6,670 lb (3,030 kg) for the battery-electric vehicle (BEV) variant. The payload of the vehicles also varies slightly, either 2,941 lb (1,334 kg) for the ICE or 2,207 lb (1,001 kg) for the BEV.[2]:?Tables 3-1.2 and 3-1.3?

Safety features
The NGDV is equipped with a second sliding curbside door that allows the mail carrier to enter the cargo area directly, allowing them to avoid having to stand in the street while loading and unloading the vehicle. As another measure for safety, the NGDV has an automatic parking brake that engages when the vehicle is shifted to park, when the driver leaves the seat, or when the ignition is shut off; it disengages when the vehicle is started and then shifted to drive or reverse, and the vehicle ignition is operable only when the transmission is in park or neutral.[17] The front and rear bumpers are equipped with proximity sensors that start beeping intermittently when objects are detected within 8 ft (2.4 m), and switch to continuous alarming when objects are within 6 in (150 mm).[17]
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Re: USPS EV delivery truck
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2024, 04:26:32 AM »

So aircon barely affects range but heating halves it ...

Does America not know aircon can also be used for heating?
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2024, 04:57:35 AM »

I cannot fathom the stupidity of that giant nearly-vertical windshield.

100 or so years ago we, as a people, didn't really have a firm grasp on aerodynamics. One of my dad's first loves is airplanes, and he would read about them obsessively. He especially loved anything quirky or unusual. I remember once he showed me a particular plane that had a unique problem in that it couldn't go any faster than 50mph. Why? The windshield was completely vertical. It was a literal wall running into the wind. Had they just given it an, oh 30 degree slant it would have made all the difference in the world.

THERE IS NO REASON TO MAKE A WALL RUNNING INTO THE WIND. Whoever designed that portion of the car needs to be taken out back and shot.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2024, 01:29:42 PM »

Morgan, in honor of your dad’s works I propose the nickname of WindHammer for this monstrosity.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2024, 10:08:20 PM »

I suspect aero's are of minimal importance at the typical speeds they travel at. Speaking of traveling speeds why so poor mpg for the ICE version?
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2024, 10:44:32 PM »

I suspect aero's are of minimal importance at the typical speeds they travel at. Speaking of traveling speeds why so poor mpg for the ICE version?

If they're doing anything above 30mph it will have a measurable impact. Also, aside from being a bad idea, it's just hideous. It looks like me trying to draw a car at age 5.
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Re: USPS EV delivery truck
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2024, 01:10:23 AM »

Yeah, my reply to you was going to be it's also fucking ugly. Is it a converted ICE truck? I don't see why it would need to have such a long hood if it was designed to be electric from the start.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2024, 01:21:36 AM »

Not to mention that huge ass fucking windshield is going to be like a sun oven on the person sitting inside that thing.

As for the comment about AC being used to heat too.   You mean heat pumps???   Burp.    shush you,stop interjecting common sense.

I can see cost probably being the issue.  A heat pump, that small, modified for DC, will cost a few grand after the unions get done with it.  Now a piece of nichrome wire to turn red hot in front of a fan,a few dollars.   Efficiency be damned.   They'll buy the driver a 40 dollar coat and call it break even, then call it a gift so they can tax him on it at the end of the year.

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Re: USPS EV delivery truck
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2024, 03:26:24 AM »

The USPS local delivery trucks in my city have to drive about 8 miles at freeway speeds to get to my subdivision, where they do drive very slowly a few hundred yards at a time.  Right now what they do is to park at one spot on a street, hand deliver mail to each mail box, first one side of a street and then walk across the street to deliver mail to the other side. Once they complete that short route, they drive further up the block to start the process all over again. That is perfect for an EV.

One thing that is going to cost a bundle, and take some time, is installing enough L2 stations at each post office to recharge the local fleet of postal trucks each night. I assume they will have to do that before the EV trucks will be able to operate within that service area. There are a lot of post offices in the U.S. that will need some electrical work before the new delivery vehicles arrive.
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Re: USPS EV delivery truck
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2024, 04:57:25 AM »

Not to mention that huge ass fucking windshield is going to be like a sun oven on the person sitting inside that thing.

As for the comment about AC being used to heat too.   You mean heat pumps???   Burp.    shush you,stop interjecting common sense.

I can see cost probably being the issue.  A heat pump, that small, modified for DC, will cost a few grand after the unions get done with it.  Now a piece of nichrome wire to turn red hot in front of a fan,a few dollars.   Efficiency be damned.   They'll buy the driver a 40 dollar coat and call it break even, then call it a gift so they can tax him on it at the end of the year.

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The difference between aircon that cools and aircon that cools and also heats is a valve and some electronics so common it's probably more expensive to use a control board that doesn't support it.
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Re: USPS EV delivery truck
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2024, 05:16:11 AM »

Pretty daft heating the whole cab if it's going to cane range like that ... give it heated seats and a steering wheel. Vastly more efficient and basically just as effective at maintaining comfort. (Do this myself in the car).

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Re: USPS EV delivery truck
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2024, 05:20:05 AM »

Yeah heated seats and wheel are a much better idea. Heat the cabin and you just get that heat pouring out every time the doors are opened, which is a lot with a delivery vehicle. A lot of them even seem to drive around with the door open. Also if the partition to the rear compartment is open then you're vastly increasing the volume of air that needs to be heated.
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Re: USPS EV delivery truck
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2024, 08:03:20 PM »

Not to mention that huge ass fucking windshield is going to be like a sun oven on the person sitting inside that thing.



Aaron

The difference between aircon that cools and aircon that cools and also heats is a valve and some electronics so common it's probably more expensive to use a control board that doesn't support it.

Absolutely correct but to be efficient takes a bit more work and design.  Given a mail truck is going to be open most the time anyways, hand in and out window xxx times a day, it's pretty meaningless to have a mediocre heater in there.   Your heat pump when it's 30 degrees out is not going to be very efficient with keeping the inside warm with the window open.    Yes heatpumps operate both ways but when it gets to the extremes, unless the thing is very well engineered, like a Mitsubishi system for example, once you get  below freezing, the efficiency of the thing drops to like 40 percent if you are lucky.  for ability to do the job they are better off just heating up a piece of wire, quick and easy.

Another option but would add buxx to the price, does it have cooling for the inverter motor?  If so, once those start producing, run that thru a loop for heat for the cabin, use  a 3 way valve thats pilot operated.... again complexity, just put current thru a piece of wire, job done.

TheRan you mention a lot of them drive around with the door open.  If you are referring to Big Brown, that is because many of those trucks have no AC in them, only a shitty fan which don't work most the time so thats the only way the driver can get some fresh air / cooling in there.  In fact that was one of the major gripes they had in their impending strike earlier in the year, or was it last year, was AC for the delivery trucks because it was killing the drivers, especially in the warmer climates.

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