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[Richard230]

This afternoon it was reported that Tesla has finally given up on the idea of manufacturing a BEV for around $25K. If it was me I would have given up on that idea, which was announced four years earlier, long ago. 

Musk says the report is a lie.

[DonTom]

Musk says the report is a lie.

See here.


"Elon Musk confirmed that the car will cost $25,000. "

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Specter]

Tesla has always been NOTORIOUSLY late actually releasing stuff he promises.  (often times the specs quietly get downgraded quite significantly too)
Just look at his power wall as a good example, however Enphase is pretty much kicking his ass there, but anyways.

He may still put the vehicle out.... 10 years from now, when the price of lith finally drops to where he actually can afford it.  Or a new tech comes out for storage.

Since he really has not said much, if anything, about any of the other specs of this expected vehicle, except for the price. It could be just about anything,  Tesla's version of the Yugo.  Maybe he will suddenly decide he likes motorcycles afterall.  OH hey look my son likes bikes, so I'll make a bike for him too, like the truck.  A bike / bike like vehicle, he could do at that price.

Aaron

[Richard230]

Musk says the report is a lie.

See here.


"Elon Musk confirmed that the car will cost $25,000. "

-Don-  Reno, NV

I heard on the CBS radio national news again this morning that Tesla is dropping the idea of building their $25K hatchback and will be using the staff that was on that project to work on Musk's version of a self-driving "robotaxi".  Yesterday Musk said it was a lie, but my money is on the news that the project has been canceled in favor of the robotaxi. However, I doubt that is going to go very far either anytime soon.  Certainly not if cities in the SF Bay Area have anything to say about it.   

[Specter]

Unless they have them on some sort of leash or like on a monorail or something, I can not see them letting a 'robo' anything loose on the streets.
Too many pedestrians to get run over if something glitches, OR they decide to do a whiplash wang and hop in front of it on purpose for some of those Bocu Tesla Buxxx.  Not to mention, in those kind of area's  that thing would be robbed and stripped down bare for crack money in probably about 30 seconds flat.

Aaron

[Richard230]

Unless they have them on some sort of leash or like on a monorail or something, I can not see them letting a 'robo' anything loose on the streets.
Too many pedestrians to get run over if something glitches, OR they decide to do a whiplash wang and hop in front of it on purpose for some of those Bocu Tesla Buxxx.  Not to mention, in those kind of area's  that thing would be robbed and stripped down bare for crack money in probably about 30 seconds flat.

Aaron

 

[flynnstig82r]

I did some GIS mapping work once and realized that self-driving technology was probably a fancier version of what I was doing. The cars work in certain demo locations because a team manually clicked a series of lines into a map for that location. It’s basically smoke and mirrors and not scalable for city streets. I’ve also seen self-driving vehicles hold up lines of traffic in San Francisco for a whole light cycle because it just couldn’t figure out how to navigate intersections like Duboce and Market St. Works OK on the highway (which is a highly controlled environment), but full self-driving feels just as far away now as it did 10 years ago.

[Richard230]

Here is more Tesla news that I am sure they didn't want to have to deal with. Once this sort of thing starts, every small-time criminal jumps on the bandwagon and creates problems for Tesla EV owners who used to depend on always finding a charging station running when needed: 

In other news: President Biden just raised the import tariff on Chinese electric vehicles to 100% of their value and it was also raised on Chinese solar panels, but I am not sure if it was the same amount (having just heard the headlines and not all of the story).  These tariffs are not going to expand the sales and implementation of solar panels to meet government goals, plus they add to the overall inflation rate and no doubt pour fire on the two country's trade war.

[Fran K]

Minute 2:0?  all fixed by dinner time.  They can add 5% something to those cables and make it a crime to scrap them.  Wait until the cells in the batteries have value on some market.  It did not say how they were vandalized/victimized battery mini band saw would make short order of that task.  Were they water cooled?  Maybe the copper is needed for the vehicles and the cables should be aluminum or something without much scrap value, obviously the conductor gauge would be more.

[Specter]

I am very surprised they waited this long to start reporting cable thefts.  Yah no doubt those things are prime opportunity to thieves.
A LOT of copper in them, a crack heads dream.

Florida already is cracking down on this, those cables are considered restricted materials.  You need a lot more credentials to recycle them.  This does not stop crackpipe johnny from taking them home and stripping them now, but for the slash and cash crowd, it hinders them a lot.

This is kind of a conundrum for some.  They like to say they are green, but don't want those cars up front in their parking lot,so they put the chargers wayyy in the back, out of sight, BUT back there, they can't keep a good eye on them, so at night time, the crackies and zappies come and steal the copper cables.  Most of them are smart enough not to open the charger up and go cutting.  The ones who were not smart enough are generally at room temp already.  Those cables are easily a few hundred dollars EACH to replace.  Once it's cut, I do not see the merchant in any hurry to replace them, especially if / since the station has been operating at a net loss to begin with.

Aaron

[mallllias]

Tesla geting fire easily when they recharge...
theres many videos here and there to aprove that

[Specter]

you  need help with your ingrish there buddy.

[Curt]

The problem seems similar to that of catalytic converter theft. Based on reports on NextDoor and the neighborhood forum, and from personal experience, it was very much out of control a year ago, but lately there have been diminishing reports in my area (SF Bay Area).

What seems to be working is a combination of sting operations busting some of the large organized crime operations and various crackdowns on recycle businesses that were accepting and processing the ill-gotten equipment.

[Specter]

Curt that is the big thing is cracking down on where they can bring their stuff.
In florida they make it very difficult to recycle restricted materials.
on one hand it makes it a major pain in the ass for legit recyclers such as myself, especially when the piggy poo detective who gets assigned to follow that, wants to be a gaping asshole, just because he can.  But on the other hand, it makes the thieves work a lot harder for their money.  They can just take their stuff up the road to georgia who doesn't give a rats ass BUT they do watch the road and god help you get caught going across state lines with stolen goods, especially with the intent of selling them.

ENFORCING the law will stop most the theft.  Ca is an area typically where theft is ignored, hence the out of control problems.
Get caught in Florida sawing on someone's car and you'll be shot on sight.   Just saying.
Aaron

[Motoproponent]

Marques Brownlee just did a thing on the $25,000 EV on his channel. (MKBHD on his AutoFocus channel https://www.youtube.com/@AutoFocus)

He has a pretty insightful take on it and how it's pretty unlikely