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[jotjotde]

Until now I thought the right hand unit with the fu**ed up cruise control is a unique Energica thing.
But apparently you can find this crap on a MV Agusta Brutale as well 

Maybe of interest if you are looking for spare parts etc.

[SwampNut]

Hah, and I thought the right-side, hard to reach cruise was a Zero thing!  I swapped mine to the left.  The Energica would not be as easy to swap.

[smithy]

Hah, and I thought the right-side, hard to reach cruise was a Zero thing!  I swapped mine to the left.  The Energica would not be as easy to swap.

Swapped my Experia C/C to the left handlebar...much easier to use. BMW has the best C/C setup BTW.

Smithy.

[SwampNut]

BMW and the newer Harleys.  Some think the Harley has too many buttons, but it's so usable and precise.

[SBK74]

This is hilarious: the throttle is the same as Energica and Zero but MV branded. From 'startup' Energica I understand that they try to manage cost and take CC controls off the shelf. From MV Augusta with all their fancy parts it's almost embarrassing. Maybe MV drivers don't use cruise control so often...

[jotjotde]

This is hilarious: the throttle is the same as Energica and Zero but MV branded. From 'startup' Energica I understand that they try to manage cost and take CC controls off the shelf. From MV Augusta with all their fancy parts it's almost embarrassing. Maybe MV drivers don't use cruise control so often...

Yeah, that's a real bummer. Even premium car manufacturers use off-the-shelf-stuff (Mercedes uses Renault stuff, Aston Martin used Ford stuff, Porsche uses Skoda/VW stuff and so on).
That's how you increase profits.
 

[Specter]

Well, when you look at it, you can pay 15k for a car, or 30k for a car, some years ago, it all basically was how many more whistles and bells you wanted on it and how it was chipped.  They all used the same basic Mitsubishi engine.

If something works, and looks decent on your product, why reinvent that wheel?  concentrate on the important stuff.

Aaron

[SwampNut]

This is hilarious: the throttle is the same as Energica and Zero but MV branded. From 'startup' Energica I understand that they try to manage cost and take CC controls off the shelf. From MV Augusta with all their fancy parts it's almost embarrassing. Maybe MV drivers don't use cruise control so often...

Yeah, that's a real bummer. Even premium car manufacturers use off-the-shelf-stuff (Mercedes uses Renault stuff, Aston Martin used Ford stuff, Porsche uses Skoda/VW stuff and so on).
That's how you increase profits.

Some car and motorcycle makers decide they can reinvent the wheel and make everything themselves.  That's how you increase cost and decrease reliability.  If a menial part with a proven track record exists, USE IT!  I have a full wood shop at home, it's my hobby.  One day the wife asks for a shelf thing that's going in her closet in the corner to hold stuff.  I bought it at Ikea.  People would ask why I didn't build it.  Because it costs more to go collect hobby-grade wood and make something that just doesn't matter at all because it's hidden and just needs to do a job.

[Specter]

Don't forget your time, that has value too.  The R and D on something that is already on the market, is costly.

Aaron

[szczur333]

Until now I thought the right hand unit with the fu**ed up cruise control is a unique Energica thing.
But apparently you can find this crap on a MV Agusta Brutale as well 

Maybe of interest if you are looking for spare parts etc.

brace yourself

internal 3kW charger is OEM valeo unit - mounted also in volvo hybrids in 2012 or even 2011 models

you say, meh its just a charger - yes, but with newer tech (SiC/GaN) they can be 2x smaller - or even 6-7kW with the same size

[Specter]

What is the cost of this newer tech and better charger?
Maybe they could offer this as an upgrade.
Still 7k being converted IN the bike puts off some heat that must be dissipated, can they get the heat out of there properly?  Put a fan / better fan in there, it'd only take a few watts Id think.

Do you have any part numbers for this 6-7k unit that is the same size?  id be almost interested in playing with it to see if I could get something to work with it.
Aaron

[SBK74]

I have a picture of a Ribelle charger. It’s a Power Land 3300 not Valeo. They might have changed, because the old SS9 only charged 3kW and had the fan controlled by the bike’s menu.

[szczur333]

What is the cost of this newer tech and better charger?
Maybe they could offer this as an upgrade.
Still 7k being converted IN the bike puts off some heat that must be dissipated, can they get the heat out of there properly?  Put a fan / better fan in there, it'd only take a few watts Id think.

Do you have any part numbers for this 6-7k unit that is the same size?  id be almost interested in playing with it to see if I could get something to work with it.
Aaron

https://www.wolfspeed.com/knowledge-center/article/6-6kw-high-power-density-bi-directional-ev-on-board-charger/

but i saw it 2 years ago already, just look for prices and sizes GaN phone 100-200W chargers - this is similar tech
of course it will hard to buy in small quantities


only issue to adding more powerfull charger can be software - probably you have to add some code to it to accept more power but maybe not - this is canbus operated so maybe this will work plug and play



ss9 2020 and ego 2020 has valeo units for sure