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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2024, 08:12:12 PM »

I have destroyed 2 iPhone cameras  mounted on a RAM mount.  Hard to know if it was the Energica or the ICE bikes that did them in.

  I think the road provides plenty of vibration regardless of the power system driving the bike.

Ordered the quadlock system and will see if any more cameras bite the dust.

https://www.quadlockcase.com/blogs/news/introducing-the-vibration-dampener

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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #61 on: March 20, 2024, 10:25:15 PM »

I suspect the cell phone worries are overblown. Not saying it’s completely made up, but I bet most people’s phones still work just fine. My iPhone 12 Mini hasn’t had any camera focus problems in the 1 1/2 years I’ve had the FJR and the wireless RAM mount.

Same, I had a Galaxy S10 in my Janky home made mount (on my KTM 1190 Adventure) for years with no problems on the camera. Then my S22 Ultra spent the first years of it's life in the same mount. It still shoots great pics and vids.
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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #62 on: March 20, 2024, 10:25:42 PM »

oh yes the road has plenty of vibration so will your tires, especially after they start wearing a bit and start to sing to you. Anything that can help dampen them whether it be a constant beat freq or just the whump of hitting a pothole or the typically shitty road in jacksonville which has thousands of tiny little mountains that pop up out of the surface like running over sticks all the time, it surely can't hurt.

Ill have to get one of these and give it a try.

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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #63 on: March 21, 2024, 12:21:07 PM »

Vibrations will only be a issue if the phone you are mounting has a camera with "active" image stabilization. Over time the sensitive motors and sensors used in these systems will be damaged. I had 2 iPhone 7+ replaced under warranty due to this issue.
Apple actually made an official statement regarding this issue https://support.apple.com/en-us/102175.

I suspect the non consistent vibrations coming from the road surface would have a much lower impact vs the constant high frequency vibrations of a ICE bike.
With that said using a vibration damping mount from Quadlock or Rokform won't hurt. Plus they provide a secure connection the RAM X mount does not.
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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2024, 02:07:51 AM »

I can attest that a Ram X mount, the phone looked secure as hell, gave it a good wiggle it was tight.
One fucking pothole and that bitch popped right out. It was 11 pm ish and I didn't notice it gone until I heard, phone disconnected.  I generally don't look down AT the phone when riding, Im busy watching the road. 
Using Cardo, ...Phone connected / Phone disconnected to get an idea of where it popped out, I luckily found it on the side of the road before it got ran over 40 times.

I was thinking of using my Galaxy 23 Ultra on the track for videos, I got enough articulation pieces for my Ram mount to put it right where I need it, but the only problem is, getting to keep focus OUT THERE, and not shifting every time the scenery does and focusing on the windshield so the road is blurry.  After fricking with that for a day I decided I better stick with my GoPro 10?? I think it is, even with it's quirks, but now to get IT solidly tethered down.  I didn't want to be 'that guy' who yellow flagged the track because my stupid camera is laying in the middle of turn 8 or something!

I'll eventually get the phone thing set up right, but my first priority is getting the trailer all set up for support.  I finally got all the parts in, my inverters showed  up, now to get them to install the rack on top for the solar panels, and figuring out where I want to bolt everything down at inside.  Inverters and batteries. Fast Charger, Super Caps,  I don't want to put them all the way forward, don't need a ton of weight on the tongue, but putting on the sides, I need to make sure I got room to get on and off the bikes when running them in, and in the case of a mishap, the bike is NOT going to fall over onto a busbar with 800 amps running thru it.

I have a feeling this thing is NOT going to be fully implemented until later in the year.  About May, the track out here closes down for a few months because it just gets too hot to run bikes.  The pavement gets so hot it tears up your tires, so they shut down until about Sept.  However there ARE still tracks open, Ill just have to travel a bit,  Georgia, the Carolina's, 'Bama, and I am contemplating maybe a trip to Texas to watch the hooligan series when it's out there to see Stefano hopefully pop a podium stand again.  I was at the Daytona one a few weeks ago, and had a blast hanging out.

My logic on this one, the money I am putting into the trailer.  A: It's fun, I don't give a #%^#$ what anyone else thinks.  B: NOT paying 40 bucks for power hookup is nice,  C: NOT paying 100 bucks a night for a hotel room, the trailer is fully AC with an inflatable bed in it.  This ole redneck has no problem camping!  A little fridge, plus with essentially a portable 100 amp service, I can bring my coffee roaster so I have fresh coffee in the morning too!!  Just gotta figure out a cage to keep the rottentoo in and we'll be golden!

Race Day Roasters.  Offer folks fresh coffee when they wake up in the morning.  It might help pay for my hobby a bit :D

I got the solar panels laying out in my driveway now acting like an aux to my house panels, I got them pumped in non grid tied.  Initial estimates, I can get about 18 KW/hr of power on a good day.  That'll more than charge my bike for a full day on the track, and keep the AC rolling to keep me cool in the trailer at night.  Plus every track I've been on, offers 120 V on the paddock for free, so a slow charge on that will keep me topped off.

Once I get this monstrosity all put together, Ill post plenty of pics, and 'how I did it's here for ya'all to see.

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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2024, 03:13:42 PM »

The Go Pro 10 will do the job.  Use a screwdriver to tighten down all the locking knobs.  Finger pressure is not enough for high speed use.  Cable ties around those knobs to your bike will tether it well enough.  You can kill someone if it lets go and departs the bike.

Run usb power to the camera instead of a a battery to eliminate the PITA file corruption that occurs when the battery gets low.  Or put in a fresh battery for every session.  The only really big problem with the camera.

Your self contained power plant trailer is AWESOME.

Certainly seems to be the first of it's kind on Earth.

Energica should sponsor you.  What an amazing advertising platform that will be at every track you visit.

And coffee to boot!  WOW!

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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #66 on: March 23, 2024, 09:21:09 AM »

I'll probably run the go pro setup.  The phone has some sort of app on it to remote control it and I can get sort of a preview wifi'd to the phone to see what's going to be filmed when I do start it up.  Just need to tie the phone down somewhere on the bike.  I was thinking I might need that bag that they offer for the gas tank. I can put all the stuff in there.  The lap timer, the dragy, the phone etc and know it's all in one place.

The charging, I was thinking I could make like a little wagon to wheel a smaller version out.  You could in theory put a  12k solark on a little pull along wagon, throw a 15k supercap on that, and then my 30kw fast charger on that and wheel it around for a quick portable adjustable fast charge for the bike.  As for sponsoring, yah that'd be awesome but then again, having a rig up, there is always the issue of liability.  No matter the company, they are an OFFICIAL company, not some knee jerk- jerk, like I am :D   Something goes wrong and starts a fire somewhere and they burn down a few garage bays, thats a multi million dollar lawsuit.

But yes, I am great free advertising for the bike, so far the times I have taken them to the track, I am getting a pretty big audience of people walking by to take a look at the 'electric bike' and ask a bunch of questions, especially after I have run it a few times and they see me flying by the finish line at 115 mph.  (yes it can go a lot faster but the Ribelle does NOT have the brakes the EGO has and coming that fast into turn 1 would be a nasty issue so I gotta play nice, plus I don't want to alter my riding style TOO MUCH between bikes.  It's all a huge learning curve for me now currently as it is and trying to keep some consistency helps a lot until I get good enough that I got the basic stuff at muscle memory quality now and CAN now focus on the little things.)  Im hoping later in the year, by the time I am ready to go for my racing license, Ill have most the basic stuff down pat and be skilled enough to finesse the finer details ouf of my gear.  It's all a work in progress and one that gets expensive.,

Yah it's a total blast, I love it but I estimate that each track day is costing me about 500 dollars.  That's a number of sacks of green coffee I need to sell to pay for that, which takes time too!  Having sponsorS would be helpful (plural there) but I need to get to that point first where they'd be interested.  Maybe I can rig the bikes computer to mine bitcoin somehow and hit a block when Im on the track and strike a payday there :D  OH man wouldn't that be something !

Aaron
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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #67 on: March 23, 2024, 02:17:30 PM »

(yes it can go a lot faster but the Ribelle does NOT have the brakes the EGO has and coming that fast into turn 1 would be a nasty issue so I gotta play nice, plus I don't want to alter my riding style TOO MUCH between bikes.
Aaron
Upgrading the front brake pads to a more race focused compound will make provide a higher coefficient of friction (more total stopping power), less fade at higher temperatures and a stronger initial bite. The pad compound (Z04) used in the calipers that are part of the corsa kit are also available for the calipers (M50) found on production Energica.
https://www.af1racing.com/br107a48639-brembo-z04-front-brake-pads-br107a48639
In addition replacing the brake fluid to a higher temperature race product will reduce front brake fade.
Brembo LCF600, Castrol SRF and Motul RBF700 all have a much higher boiling point vs the fluid used from the manufacture.


I'll probably run the go pro setup. 
Aaron
I suggest you add a ND filter to whatever setup you decide to run on the bike. ND filters reduce the amount of light available to the sensor. This gives you better control over aperture and frame rate settings. This gives you more control over focus and motion blur.
This is a video shot with a ND32 filter on a DJI action 2 camera.


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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #68 on: March 23, 2024, 06:15:43 PM »

Thank you Demoni.
I am actually thinking of upgrading the entire front brake caliper in time on the Ribelle.  I want the parts between the bikes to match as closely as possible, that way I only need to have one set of spare stuff, and not 2.  Being able to swap things like tires, by changing out the entire wheel because it's a LOT faster, and not have to worry, well gee, this one has a thicker brake rotor on it, Ill have to change that to something different, then change it back AGAIN when I put it back on this bike, makes life a lot easier.  Not to mention having the bikes set up with the same stuff, they should behave a lot closer to each other, so changing from bike to bike is not as drastic of a style change as well.  As things wear out on the bike over time, I'll be upgrading to the kit corsa stuff with the exception of the electronics of course because Ill still need the thing to be street legal.

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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2024, 03:32:04 PM »

I assume you have seen it at every track day... the red flag.

EVERYONE who rides track with the goal of getting really fast, especially racing, will crash.  That is not a failure, it is part of the process of learning limits of performance.

I am sure you recall Nick, at YCRS saying his techniques will help the racers reduce crashes by a few per year.  Not eliminate, reduce.

You may want to pick up a Ninja 500 to push those limits and then practice at a slightly reduced effort on the race Energica. 

I would. 

Keep us posted on your progress.  Amazing journey!
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« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2024, 08:56:30 AM »

Pard, I would have to say, that is ONE advantage of running an E bike over an ICE.  You can HEAR the tires gripping, there is no screaming engine to drown it out.  You can hear them cupping on the track, you can hear them grabbing, sliding, galloping around a corner when you are a bit wobbly in the arms because it's the 19th minute of your session and you are TIRED!  You can hear and feel when they are starting to slide a bit, and actually HEARING that AND feeling it, cements it into your mind what is going on, and helps you set your limits.

They say not to look at your speedometer.  I am, I'll glance at it momentarily...I take a run at say 55, ok that is doable ... lets try next lap to see if it duplicates. yes, ok 55 is safe, let me run next shot at 60, ok that felt a little loose, lets try it again, just to make sure I didn't come in at a bad angle, ok that one was better.  again., ok good, now lets push it to 65.  ooh I felt something there and could hear the tires sliding,  lets try that again a little more careful this time,ooh yah, that's getting a bit slippery, lets hold it here and experiment with approach angles, see if we can get a safer entry / exit layout on this corner... type thing.  It also helps you learn what a certain speed feels like, so you can commit that to muscle memory. ok this is what 55 feels like in this part, eventually you won't have to look, you'll just know by experience, but while learning your outer limits, having some sort of gauge that does not scrape knees or set off airbags is a good thing ! :D

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« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2024, 08:20:29 PM »

Pard, As for getting a little ice bike to play around with.
I have seriously considered it, but am not sure what I want.
The ninja's are pretty decent bikes, but then again so are some of the yamaha's like they had at the riders school.

On one hand yes it'd be nice to practice on, for the basics?  also so I can get my shifting down, that's a major issue for me right now, im still stewing over that heh, but on the other hand I want to get really good on the bike I'll be racing, concentrate my training there on the Energica, not so much other places.  Coming into a corner on a 300 lb bike is a bit different then coming into it on a 600 lb bike.    Then there's.... me....I really do NOT need another bike to dump 20 grand into, because if I DO get a little ICEr to play on,  I know im going to have to trick it out, I won't be happy with just a stock little this or that, especially after the way an electric bike can spoil you with the instant torque and accel.  I estimate a race day costs me about 500 dollars.  Trying not to make it 800 or 900, otherwise I'll be spending the rest of my life roasting coffee to try to pay for it all :D

Seriously though, yes I am absolutely considering a little bike to ride on and hone new skills on but still way in left field on exactly what I want to get,there are just so damned many good ones out there now, and then there's the trap, well for only an extra grand, I can upgrade to this and that, well I just spent 7 grand on a bike, for another 1500 I can step up to THIS and really be in the game... well shit, im at 10 grand, so what's another 2 to hyper it and not have to worry about this and that.  next thing you know.... there you are on a 20k bike.  Im all too familar with rabbit holes.  Just look at the electric one I fell into :D

Aaron
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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2024, 09:57:58 PM »

Yes, mission creep is a serious problem! I tend to upgrade everything on every bike as well.

But you will not regret getting the crashing done on anything other than the Energica.



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« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2024, 09:56:39 AM »

So I was able to take the bike out again today for a track day.
The day started foggy as hell, and stayed mostly overcast with the sun only poking out after noon.  This was really helpful in keeping the temps down in the suit as the temp hit about 83 degrees.  NOT looking forward to mid may when it's 93 or more out and the sun is blazing.

I am getting a lot more confident in the bike and picking my speeds up quite a bit here, finally getting over my I guess you could call it, anxiety that the bike is going to go flying out from under me under extreme lean when I really lay into it.  I am finally trusting that it's going to do it's thing as long as I do my thing properly.  I had several folks telling me, oh this track is super grippy, even when it's misty out it's got a ton of grip so around turn 8 I decided, ok bitch, lets see how low I can go and just tried to lay that thing over, ended up scraping my knee dragger again but bike held fast, and was very stable even over at that angle.  I am sure when I finally learn to get my technique down and ME leaning over more it'll be even better!  Transitioning is real easy too,  ahh.. easy in the way of, there is plenty of working room for you to slide over, you are not smashed down in a little seat or something, it's a wide open area to slide across, but still at almost 600 lbs, it's a bit of work after a while especially on the turns with the triple pow one immediately after the other left right left.

I am getting a LOT better using the regen and trail braking instead of using the front brakes so much.  I am finding that I like it a LOT better, have much more control over the bike and I can come into turn 1 at about 75 ish MPH now vs maybe 60 because I was too busy trying to get the bike flopped over after a hard braking to get down from 135 ish mph.  I am able to decelerate into it at a good lean already, instead of having to slow down THEN really start the lean.  The throttle is so responsive and learning to feather it, between the trail braking and tapping to get around corners, I am finding that I need to hone my skills judging a corner, as some of them I am seeing I am coming in a bit SLOW on them, and getting close to the inner edge.  Im working on the idea of it's sometimes better to come in perhaps a little bit fast, because I KNOW I got more lean angle to work with the regen WILL pull me down 5 mph or so pretty fast if needed, and I can  stand off and lay the bike over to keep the corner better than having to pick up speed or correct my intended path angle because im getting too close to the inner edge.

I really love the regen, it is so much more helpful going around corners, I am finding that I can regen into a turn and once I am confident that I have the control I want IN the corner, I can actually start accelerating THRU the turn, even coming up to the apex of it and once I am pointing about where I need to be, really open up the throttle.  Im talking here for those long loping turns, not the ones where you dive in tap the apex and right back out but are hugging a long curve.

Right now my biggest issue is ME, (like it ever IS actually the bike :D ) and getting leaned over and hanging OFF the bike enough around corners.  The tires are definitely being used to the sidewalls, there really is no more room on them, I just need to get myself off the bike more.  I had a few folks running behind me giving me pointers, (AbsolUTELY appreciated!!)  he's been racing for years and he's telling me, you got the lean down pat, you are on track you just need to get off the bike more, it'll give you more speed and that I really need to get tank grips on the bike it'll help a ton with the control AND getting off the bike when you have something to grab onto and not sliding around.

With speeds ranging from oh, say 145 ish high end to 60 ish, low end averages, I am averaging about 1 percent battery drain per mile a little bit more later on as I got my speeds up overall but as a general, 1 percent / mile is a good figure.  Today there were not a lot of folks at the track so they ran us in 2 groups instead of the normal 3 so we had half hour sessions. That shit wears you out in about 20 minutes let me tell you !!  I was averaging about 30 - 32, one shot almost 40 miles per session being put on the bike.

I initially wanted to test a theory that, with a normal 20 minute session, I can use the normal AC Level 2 charging at 15 amps to keep the battery up between sessions, but with us running extended sessions, more run time also equals less charge time, that went out the window and I stayed with the fast charger.  I found that the sweet spot was about 35 amps up until about 85 percent then take it down to 30 so it don't trip the breaker, and eventually figured that I could leave it at 30 the whole time and not fiddle dick with it.  I was running charge up to about 92 to 94 percent and stopping there as A:it's really slowing down up there and more balaning, and B: want to make sure I got room FOR the regen to work so leave some room up top.
Running a lower charge rate also helped the battery temps too, but TBH I never got more than midway on the temperature graph, and I think the hottest I ever had the motor was up to like 150 degrees ish, (it may have been more, I was looking after I got on the paddock, NOT while racing for obvious reasons) so it had time to cool off.  With the liquid cooling, that thing is NOT going to get hot on you., 
One thing I AM noticing though is, the EGO is black, on black, on black.  When running, the fairings are great I am sure for getting the air thru where it needs to be, but when sitting there stewing in the sun, charging, is NOT helping keep things cool, it then traps the heat around the battery.  I was thinking of getting a little fan and putting it on front of the radiator or something that I can blow air thru during charging sessions.  LOOKS are a lot too, so I don't want a big honking fan on it and having people go, oh what? it can't keep cool?  While back to back to back hump it hard, charge it hump it hard the battery NEVER got in the yellow on me, I am sure when the year progresses and the outside temps are 90 plus degrees and the sun is just blasting down on you, that'll all change.  Putting a roof over my head will work as well with one of those little tent thingies.

As far as actual battery performance, of course topped off it's going to give you max wham for your buck, but even down to say around 60 percent, yah you may be a small little bit slower on the accel, it's NOT huge like the street bike's can be, the battery has plenty of power to give you that stupid acceleration you need to shut the ICEholes up on the straightaways.  TBH I really didn't notice any real performance drag until the battery got below 50 percent, and it really took it to go down to about 40 before you really could start noticing that the top end was a bit slower getting up there.  As a side note, once you DO go below 50 percent battery, it really starts to suck them down then, and while I was not paying attention when I was looking at that, I am sure that in that range, that hard suck was really pushing your temps up faster too.

One oddity though, at least on the race bike setup, the battery starts Balancing at around 80 percent, or at least, that's what the screen says but it's still sucking the full charge current, so not sure what that is all about.  On that, I might have to experiment at a later date but, you got full current up to about 93 percent or so, but then again, I was only asking for 30 to 35 amps, maybe if I was asking for 60 it'd be curtailing more, Ill have to see and report back.

The only drawback, and really it's just me, is the bike has a very aggressive race stance, and standing there, all hunched over, waiting for the shift over between groups, for 5 minutes hunched over, is hard on the back.  When i am running the Ribelle, it's a nice upright stance.  On that though, my tires are a bit on the big side yet for me. I have that triple S going on here.  (Short Shit Syndrome), so maybe if I dropped down a size, maybe instead of running a 200, dropping to a 190 that extra half inch or whatever it gives might make slow handling / standing a lot easier.  I may play with tire sizes too, just to see HOW they affect the handling of the bike and all.  TO be honest though, I am going to have to really be a lot better than I currently am skill wise before i do that, so Im actually able to SEE genuinely, what that difference might be.

The bike came with an optical chrono on it, that I had on ONCE, but for the life of me, I can not figure out how to get that bitch activated again. I don't think I really need it though, as the track suit data is providing me with so much more data than I bet that chrono ever could hope to.

For those who are considering a racing suit, Id recommend the Dainese, as the data the thing collects on the Airbag unit is insane, and a stupidly powerful analytical tool for you.  The program is free to download and analyze /graph the data but it's a steep learning curve that's for sure!  Another nice thing I figured out is, although the use applications for the data is not quite as good on an open  track, as it is with a closed track mode, if you have a regular street airbag, leather jacket, you CAN download the data off that too and analyze it.  You do need to be aware though, that the suit samples 1000 x a second so be prepared for quite a lengthy data download time over USB.

Well, let me get some pictures up here and can't wait for the next time.
If anyone has any questions or 'stuff' they want me to test out and report back, please let me know and Ill try to get you some answers next track day, which looks like it might be this weekend !!!

Aaron
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Re: It's finally here!
« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2024, 09:57:30 AM »

and another stand alone
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