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mdjak1

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New Zero models for 2024
« on: November 08, 2023, 12:41:53 AM »

Latest email from Zero announced the S, DS, and DSR are now all on the latest platform.  Smallest battery size is 14.4 for the S and DS.   15.6 for the DSR.   Upgraded motor for the DSR. 

https://zeromotorcycles.com/

https://zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsr

https://zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-ds

https://zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-s

Main downside, the gen 2 models were lighter.   So nothing inbetween the FX/FXE models and the S, DS, SR, DSR models.
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2023, 01:43:32 AM »

It looks like they retired the 2022-3-style SR in favor of the new S? From the specs, the new S model looks the same as the 2022-3 SR except for the 14.4 Kw battery. There isn't any mention of the new S being Cypher Store "upgradeable" into an SR/F. Perhaps they're just dropping the unlockable content idea completely...
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2023, 02:44:51 AM »

S and DS are pretty interesting for $15k and $16k. S has more practical usability than the Livewire S2 Del Mar but not as sleek or well-handling from early reports, and the DS should offer better dirt-biased ADV performance than the Experia at a much lower price if the suspension setup is similarly-capable as the DSR/X.

The DSR is too close in price to the full DSR/X to be compelling, IMO, but the downgrades also seem fairly mild compared to the X so maybe some people will go for it. It has the same problem as the SR, SR/F, and SR/S for me, which is that the $20k+ price puts it in range of Energica's US pricing for its CCS-equipped 21.5 and 22.5 kWh models.
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2023, 02:59:42 AM »

It looks like they retired the 2022-3-style SR in favor of the new S? From the specs, the new S model looks the same as the 2022-3 SR except for the 14.4 Kw battery. There isn't any mention of the new S being Cypher Store "upgradeable" into an SR/F. Perhaps they're just dropping the unlockable content idea completely...

I hadn't even noticed that the SR is gone (for the United States) .   So they go from S with 14.4 battery and 75-7 motor to SR/F with 17.3 battery and 75-10 motor.   Odd that they still have a DSR with a 15.6 battery and 75-10X motor.     

And what is the difference between the 75-10  (on the street models) and 75-10X on the DSR and DSRX?
« Last Edit: November 08, 2023, 06:39:55 AM by mdjak1 »
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2023, 03:59:19 AM »

The DSR is too close in price to the full DSR/X to be compelling, IMO, but the downgrades also seem fairly mild compared to the X so maybe some people will go for it. It has the same problem as the SR, SR/F, and SR/S for me, which is that the $20k+ price puts it in range of Energica's US pricing for its CCS-equipped 21.5 and 22.5 kWh models.
Looking at the UK site the DS is £16.2k and the DSR is £17k, so basically no point in the DS unless you're stuck on an A1 licence. The DSR/X is £21k. The old DS made sense compared to the DSR as it could be much lighter with the 7.2 battery and I'm pretty sure it was a decent amount cheaper, like £2k at least. I certainly wouldn't replace my old DS with a new one. An S as a second longer range bike though might have been tempting, but again an older S is lighter and a lot cheaper and with the money saved slap a charge thank on it and charge twice as fast.

One curious thing I do notice in the specs of the Euro S and DS, the sustained speed is now down to 65mph (I think it was 70 before, maybe 75). That would definitely rule either of them out for me, the main reason I'd want either is for those longer journeys which would be on motorways and I wouldn't want to be on a bike that couldn't even hold the speed limit (nor pay £16k for the pleasure).

And what is the difference between the 75-10  (on the street models) and 75-10X on the DSR and DSRX?
I thought it may have been down to the wider belt, with a wider pulley and perhaps a longer shaft, however the DS has the wider belt but a non-X motor. It looks like it may be their designation for the "torque optimised" motors.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2023, 04:04:52 AM by TheRan »
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2023, 04:55:33 PM »

Comparing the DS with the DSR and DSR/X from the figures Zero Motorcycles published on their website.

DS = 239 kg
Charger = 3 kW
Power = 45 kW
Torque = 132 Nm

DSR = 242 kg
Charger = 3.3 kW
Power = 52 kW
Torque = 170 Nm

DSR/X = 247 kg
Charger = 6.6 kW
Power = 75 kW
Torque = 229 Nm

The additional 6 kg going from DSR to DSR/X must come from the additional 3 kW charging unit, Just like was already the case between SR/F and SR/F Premium. But I cannot yet explain the 3 kg increase going from DS to DSR.
The rest of the differences are all configured by software, in my opinion, and they all have the same 75-10X motor as last year. The micro torque jump going from 225 to 229 nM might simply be the result from software or electronic optimization, just like they did with the 10% increase in charging power last year.
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2023, 05:21:11 PM »

The DS doesn't have the X motor, it's not even a 10 but a 7 which means it's 7cm wide instead of 10cm so that's going to account for some of the weight loss. I don't know if the chargers are the same on the DS and DSR and the latter just has that extra 0.3kW unlocked, but if not the former may have a slightly lighter one. Also the DS is only a 14.4 instead of the 15.6, again I don't know if they're physically different batteries or it's just software limitations. For some reason the cypher store page on the site no longer allows you to choose a model to see which options are available for it.

Also for the weight difference between the DSR and DSR/X, the latter also has spoked instead of cast wheels which presumably are a little heavier. The ABS system on the DSR/X is also more advanced so may contain different components with more weight.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2023, 05:24:23 PM by TheRan »
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2023, 08:40:13 PM »

Not so sure about that theory.
The weight for the SR/F equipped with the 75/10 motor is 227kg,
The weight for the SR also equipped with the 75/10 motor is 223kg,
and  the weight for the S with a 75/7 motor is 223kg too .....
For all the models, the battery is labeled + so, it is probably a 17.3 down stepped to 15.3 and 14.4 through software.
I wonder if the 3kW charger is a 6kW also down stepped by software means ...
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2023, 09:04:42 PM »

Here is another article regarding the 2024 Zero lineup. Those EU prices sure don't look all that inexpensive to me: https://thepack.news/zero-motorcycles-unveils-2024-new-models-at-eicma-in-milan/
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2023, 04:25:18 AM »

Price is still their #1 problem. Producing neutered machines based on identical hardware for less money just tells me that they're actually gouging people for the top end machines.

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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2023, 05:07:01 AM »

Price is still their #1 problem. Producing neutered machines based on identical hardware for less money just tells me that they're actually gouging people for the top end machines.

Cas :)

It does seem that way.  :(
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2023, 06:23:01 AM »

Anyone know if there are changes/differences between the 2023 DSR/X and the 2024 DSR/X?   There are still some pretty decent deals on the 2023 models lingering on dealer's floors.
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2023, 07:25:33 AM »

Anyone know if there are changes/differences between the 2023 DSR/X and the 2024 DSR/X?   There are still some pretty decent deals on the 2023 models lingering on dealer's floors.

From what I can tell, it's the same. Not sure if we are allowed to link, but looks like a Zero dealer in Orange, CA has a demo bike at a great price: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/mcd/d/orange-super-sale-2023-zero-motorcycles/7675331213.html

No affiliation with them and never worked with them, but seems like a solid price.
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Re: New Zero models for 2024
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2023, 09:42:07 AM »

Anyone know if there are changes/differences between the 2023 DSR/X and the 2024 DSR/X?   There are still some pretty decent deals on the 2023 models lingering on dealer's floors.

From what I can tell, it's the same. Not sure if we are allowed to link, but looks like a Zero dealer in Orange, CA has a demo bike at a great price: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/mcd/d/orange-super-sale-2023-zero-motorcycles/7675331213.html

No affiliation with them and never worked with them, but seems like a solid price.

So it seems that is the difference between the 75-10 and the 75-10X.  I found the 2023 specs on the wayback machine for the DSR/X and it has the same 75-10X motor as the 2024.

The 2023 DSR/X bikes seem to primarily have cast alloy wheels.   The 2024 DSR/X is shown having spoked tubeless wheels. 

There is no mention of the "Mudport Wheel Sprocket" for the 2023 that is mentioned on the 2024.

I think they also added LED turn and hazard indicators on the 2024.   The 2023 manual shows replacement bulbs for the turn signals.

Beyond those items, I didn't find any other differences.   
« Last Edit: November 09, 2023, 10:34:03 AM by mdjak1 »
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