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MVetter

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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2023, 10:47:00 AM »

Does anyone know the name of the app he used to create the times and graphs at the end of the video?

I believe it was an iOS app called dragy.
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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2023, 10:28:43 PM »

It was his first time at a drag strip, too. He went in knowing nothing. I'm sure your paths will cross as you're within like 40 miles of each other or so.

Launching an electric quickly is braindead simple.  Launching ICE is tricky.  So the only thing at play here is the reaction time to the tree.  There's no skill involved beyond point and shoot.  Unless he ran it with TC off, didn't notice.  And I haven't done a hard launch without TC yet.  I need to.  This isn't to disrespect him or anything, but putting the perspective into it.  My first few launches on the CBR1100XX were ridiculously bad, 12 seconds, then I got quick.  You're trying not to loop it, burn the clutch, etc etc.  On the Zero?  SNAP it open, nothing can happen.

As far as location, his videos suggest he's in Southern CA?  I'm in Peoria, AZ.  Not 40 miles.  I did post some pics where I was in San Diego and Hacienda Heights, which could be confusing, but that was just a trip.
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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2023, 01:42:05 AM »

Launching without traction control and just romping the throttle and you'll stand that bitch up and drop off like a wiley coyote move with his acme rocket.  Even with traction control you can still do a bit of a bump bump launching as it cuts power to put the wheel back down on the ground.  Id assume that will kill your time too.  Launching on an Electric bike DOES take a bit of skill, it's not just point and pull as you imply.  You'll want it at the threshold of pulling the wheel off but not enough to activate your TC and cut power to it.  With a little practice you'll be able to tell when you are getting light in the front end and be able to feather the throttle as you need.

YOU feathering it is precision control, the TC doing it is kill, ramp back up,  too much KILL ramp back up.  Oh don't forget the flashy blinkey blinks on the dashboard too.

As for the app. Another idea for that data,  If one is on the racing circuit, you will be required to have a chrono on your bike, it talks to the track clocks etc and they come with the free app that tells you all the splits etc etc.  I think you can buy them outright for like 600 bucks or rent them by the year for like 120 or so. I'll have to dig up the link.  But on that, yes it will give you a nice chart / graph at the end of your run with all your data.

ALSO on that, if you have an airbag suit, most of them come with that build into them, you can plug in after your run and download the huge glob of data that thing accumulated on your run and there are programs that will spit out charts and stuff for you.  They can tell you speed, lean angle, g force, accelleration / decel, direction, things like that which can be really helpful.  If you DO happen to set the airbag off, the I guess you could call it, autopsy of the event, is incredible,  you can tell by the inputs,  ok here's where the asshole rear ended you, here is where you left the seat of your bike, this is about the point you went about half a somersault and set off the airbags. this little ding here is where your foot hit the handlebar on the way over the bike,  this sharp spike here is where you hit the pavement, etc down to the millisecond.  Hopefully nobody here ever needs that data, but it can be there when needed.  This might also help an insurance claim as well, shut down the bs real fast when they try to play stupid with you.  I have seen some companies want you to pay for this data, but i think Dianese is starting to include it with their D-Air systems now, but you'd have to check with them to be sure.

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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2023, 03:33:11 PM »

Does anyone know the name of the app he used to create the times and graphs at the end of the video?

I can confirm he was using a Dragy to collect the data shown in the graph at the end of the video.
https://dragymotorsports.com/

Launching a lower power EV motorcycle is easy, just twist and go. Getting the best results from a high power bike like the Ego takes a bit more skill. The bike puts down so much torque applying it all can be tricky.
Getting a good launch on a EV is easier vs a ICE bike, there are less inputs to manage. Video does not show a good short of the dash to see what TC mode the bike in the video is set at however knowing the owner I suspect he has it turned off.

I believe a properly configured EGO+ with a experienced rider should be capable of a sub 10 second 1/4 mile pass. Optimizing tire pressure, suspension setup and gearing ratios make a big difference in ET.
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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2023, 10:21:15 AM »

Semi related question.
The Dragy.
Ive noticed that GPS signals can get shitty quite often, and drop out and glitch and get huge accuracy deficiencies.
Granted your placement of the device / antenna has a huge impact on this, as does other electronics emitting / sniffing around it can block out signals too but with all that.

ive noticed it with my phone GPS, myBoat GPS, laptop with puck GPS, weather radar / lightning detector gps puck, garmins, and many other devices I own, which kind of rules out an old phone / crappy Silverado as the cause :D

Has anyone experienced any issues with this device?  Im curious if it seems to work most the time, nearly all the time, or when it works it's good.. time.  There's a difference between military grade and civilian grade GPS systems, although BOTH need as many sat inputs as they can get for accuracy.

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« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2023, 06:16:51 PM »

I remember an interview with Bradley Smith in the early days of MotoE.  He said all you had to do was throw as much of your body weight onto the front of the bike and just whack the throttle to get the best launch at the start of the race.  Sounds like they were all using the TC of the bike.  At least on television the launches all looked smooth without any herky-jerky traction control intervention.  Those were the days the spec-bike was a modified version of the Ego.  Nowadays they're all using a prototype Ducati.
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« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2023, 05:12:57 AM »

I don't quite remember where I seen it but Ducatti is getting ready to come out with an E bike, and they claim they got the wheelie thing figured out, the bike will take off like a scalded cat and no worries about wheelies.

Will be very interesting to see.   It'd be nice to see some genuine competition to the Energica's.  competition breeds innovation.

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« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2023, 05:24:58 AM »

No, Ducati is not making anything for consumers at this point in time. MotoE bikes are for pros on the track only.
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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2023, 01:36:52 AM »

Well that still, is competition for Energica's Cliente Corsica.  Even though its for the racing circuit only, it's still being sold to customers, and eventually that tech makes its way down to the streets.

Currently there isn't too much that stood up against the EGO / RIbelle in the E world for racing but now that more manufacturers and not home growns are coming to market, it'll be interesting to see what they all do to earn / keep the Top Dog status.

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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2023, 01:52:21 AM »

Even though its for the racing circuit only, it's still being sold to customers, and eventually that tech makes its way down to the streets.

Currently there isn't too much that stood up against the EGO / RIbelle in the E world for racing but now that more manufacturers and not home growns are coming to market, it'll be interesting to see what they all do to earn / keep the Top Dog status.

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  Currently, the Ducati V21L motorcycles and support equipment are Leased to established racing teams and not sold.  These are spec MotoE bikes made for spec racing.  They really have nothing to do with street bikes.  They are consumable and set up to be a test bed by Ducati.  No team is allowed to tear them down.  If the team has issues, Ducati replaces the motor or battery, not the team mechanics.

As the single Ribelle entry is currently the only electric motorcycle being raced, it would appear to be the Top Dog in a field of one.  I thought it was great the officials allowed the Ribelle to race, and I don't suspect they thought the entry would do as well as it has.  The next season the officials will probably take a much closer look at the bike to document power figures and weight as they don't want any entry to be a runaway.  As the racing Ribelle appears to be mostly stock and the competition was highly modified, you can bet the competition is going to want to ensure they have competitive machines or E racers will be not allowed.
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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2023, 05:01:08 AM »

Kenyon raced a Zero SR/F at Laguna Seca in the exact same races Stefano participated in. He would have been at CotA too but came down with Covid at the last minute and they subbed in an engineer who had never raced before. Good on him! But yeah there were 2 electric bikes out there.

edit- Just so you can see the results as well, here's race 2 from Laguna Seca Super Hooligans: http://www.motoamericaregistration.com/Results/2023/LAGUNA/23_7_LAGUNA_RSD_R2_res.pdf

Specifically note the rider who placed 16th, Kenyon Kluge on the Zero SR/F. Kenyon is the Director of Electrical Engineering at Zero and a former professional AMA racer. Here's his facebook racing page https://www.facebook.com/Ksquaredracing/

edit 2- Stefano Mesa raced in 2022 as well at Laguna Seca.
 

And in 2021 there were 2 LiveWires that competed as well as Kenyon on the Zero the whole time.
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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2023, 06:28:37 PM »

Even if you finished dead last, just to be able to say you raced in that, is worth it's weight in gold.   Just my opinion.

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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2023, 08:56:30 AM »

  Does anyone have a recommendation for an Android app that can be used for acceleration tests?
I saw the one named Dragy, but it appears to require its own dedicated GPS device from Dragy ($150.00).
Is there another application that seems to be "Internet Approved" that people agree on as good enough for everyday testing?
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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2023, 12:37:16 PM »

Does this mean you have no ability to modify the ride settings on your bike? Last I heard Guido only knows how to write iOS code so the Lightning app stuff doesn't work with Android.
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Re: I ordered a Lightning.
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2023, 01:06:54 PM »

Oof, does this mean you have no ability to modify the ride settings on your bike? Last I heard Guido only knows how to write iOS code so the Lightning app stuff doesn't work with Android.

   I spoke with Guido about the bike setup app for iOS and Android.  He said he has both and they a in a constant state of development.  He mentioned if there was "special" data that I wanted, he could see about getting it and pushing it on the phone for me. I.E. Making a custom app page with data I wanted. He said it would be good to learn about customers' requests and see if it has value.
   I have not picked up my bike yet, so I don't have the Lightning Bike Setup app.  As I have not really played with the app, I think it's for setup only and not real-time data.  I'll ask..
   I also see you can set up the bike using the center console.  I don't know how much you can change while riding.  Do people using other E-Bikes change the Power Mode or Regen Mode while driving?

   I was considering creating a handlebar switch setup like the MotoGP bikes have, so I can change the power modes and regen modes from the handlebar.  But, I am not really sure people change it that much, so that idea is on the back burner.

   I was also asking about performance apps, so if I ride a Strike C, I could compare performance figures to other bikes using a common application that others use.  From watching YouTube videos, the apps all seem to drop data once in a while with a high or low reading sporadically. I suspect this may be caused by the phone's GPS system not being super accurate.  I was thinking I of doing 20~80mph pulls to get a more consistent power reading.  I don't want to launch inconsistencies or GPS not syncing.

   I stopped by the shop the other day and took a look at the 99% completed bike, and found a small paint defect after checking everything. For some reason, I was the only one to see it. They pulled the panel off immediately and it was sent over to the paint area for a minor fix.  I think they will have to sand down the clear and a bit of white to respray, then spray clear over it again, sand, and polish.  Easy to fix, but the finishing pieces always take the most time.
  Naturally, I want it yesterday, but in a few months, I will forget it ever happened.  Same with Custom Guitar work I have had done. 
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