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[numist]

  Lightning has said, "We will make it right".  Today a giant truck showed up at my door and it's being shipped back to Lighting for them to review the cell pack and repair the battery structure.  Then they will test it and ship it back.

Was it a HaulBikes truck, and did they make the delivery on Monday? When I took delivery of my new Energica the driver was telling me he'd just dropped off a Lightning in Hollister.

Small world, hope you're reunited with your Strike again soon.

[Apollo]

Was it a HaulBikes truck, and did they make the delivery on Monday? When I took delivery of my new Energica the driver was telling me he'd just dropped off a Lightning in Hollister.

Small world, hope you're reunited with your Strike again soon.

   I would suspect it was. Lightning has already contacted me to review the initial findings and we are discussing the appropriate fixes.
   I also asked for some "minor changes" that are not offered by Lightning but may be possible.

[Specter]

What is there to discuss about the appropriate fixes?
If it's under warranty they should fix it, plain and simple.

What ARE these appropriate fixes they are discussing, that needs a long thought out thorough discussion?
Since the bike is so new, if it's that broke ass already they should probably just give you a new one, instead of making you wait months if that's what the hold up is for a battery or something, or at least a loaner until then.

Aaron

[Apollo]

What ARE these appropriate fixes they are discussing, that needs a long thought out thorough discussion?
Since the bike is so new, if it's that broke ass already they should probably just give you a new one, instead of making you wait months if that's what the hold up is for a battery or something, or at least a loaner until then.
Aaron

   The log files from the bike show that one of the cell packs is not reporting for duty when under heavy load.  Cruzing down the street or freeway things seem fine. Under heavy load one of the cells seems to break down much earlier than the rest and go resistive.  This causes total milage available to go down abruptly. 
   Lightning had a tech drive down 8 hours to my home to inspect the bike.  We drove it normally and at full throttle. (my favorite).  It works well, but it looks like a cell is bad.
I asked for some different gearing, a USB port near the dash, the dash to be mounted at a different angle, and a few other minor things.  Nothing that would require major reengineering.
    Naturally, I want a NACS charging port and an extra 100 HP.  But Lighting seems to be doing its best to fix the issues.

[MVetter]

If you end up going back to HQ to pick it up you might considering heading North a bit and testing the bike out at the Magic Dock Supercharger in Scotts Valley to test for compatibility. Energica, for example, had to update their firmware to make it interface correctly with Tesla and I've not heard anything from LiveWire owners if they've checked either.

https://www.plugshare.com/map/tesla-ccs-locations

[Apollo]

If you end up going back to HQ to pick it up you might consider heading North a bit and testing the bike out at the Magic Dock Supercharger in Scotts Valley to test for compatibility.
https://www.plugshare.com/map/tesla-ccs-locations

   This was very important for me when before I originally picked up the bike.  Lightning mentioned they have employees that live up past that area and check in once every couple of weeks to ensure their bikes work with the Magic Dock.  They said they have never had an issue and are very happy it worked on the first try.
    I checked the map and there are about three Magic Dock charging stations in the western US.  I don't hear much about new MD installs.  I think Magic Dock is a temporary solution that will probably go away.  Tesla is now going to provide supercharger support for all licensed manufacturers.  As Ford/GM are the bigger boys on the block, EV Bike manufacture are at the bottom of the pile for support from Tesla Licensing.
   

[DonTom]

   This was very important for me when before I originally picked up the bike.  Lightning mentioned they have employees that live up past that area and check in once every couple of weeks to ensure their bikes work with the Magic Dock.  They said they have never had an issue and are very happy it worked on the first try.
    I checked the map and there are about three Magic Dock charging stations in the western US.  I don't hear much about new MD installs.  I think Magic Dock is a temporary solution that will probably go away.  Tesla is now going to provide supercharger support for all licensed manufacturers.  As Ford/GM are the bigger boys on the block, EV Bike manufacture are at the bottom of the pile for support from Tesla Licensing.

Just get yourself one of these thingies and use any of the V3 & V4 (250 KW)  Tesla Superchargers.


Must use the Tesla App and then go to "charge my non-Tesla".  A little tricky to find, but download the app and then I can explain how to get there.





-Don-  Auburn, CA

[MVetter]

The point is not about being Magic Dock compliant, but being SuperCharger compliant. And that is something one would initially test at the Magic Dock pending the opening of the future SC network. But if it already works then good; that's the important bit.

[Specter]

I am pretty sure that Energica and other companies  have already reached out to Tesla trying to score deals on using their charger network.

As many of you have mentioned, the other companies, their shit is always broken it seems, but Tesla's seem to be kept in a good state of repair.  So with that, go with the winner and do what needs to be done to make the bikes compatible.

Id still want to see an adapter fairly cheap so you can use both a tesla and a ccs charger so no matter which is available, the Energica can do it.

Aaron

[DonTom]

The point is not about being Magic Dock compliant, but being SuperCharger compliant. And that is something one would initially test at the Magic Dock pending the opening of the future SC network. But if it already works then good; that's the important bit.

I have not yet used my Tesla Supercharger to CS1 adapter and neither of my bikes have the FW update (but both soon will),


Anyway, I will test my adapter on a V4 Tesla Supercharger (that has no Magic Dock) in Sparks, NV in the next day or two. I only expect an 8 KW charge until I get the update. But I will soon report here what happens.


Notice how this location says "For Tesla Drivers only".  I will have Plugshare remove that after I prove I can charge my Energica there.


I will soon have both my Enegicas updated to the new FW and test them again on the same Tesla SC.


The weather will soon be improving over the summit so I can get my Experia to A&S cycles in Roseville. The Experia is still in Reno which means I need to ride over 7,240'  Donner Summit.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[MVetter]

Until Tesla opens their network up you will not be able to use a SuperCharger with a vehicle not on the approved list. And right now that's Tesla and Ford. The stations check the VIN of what's attempting to charge and if it's not the list you cannot use it until Tesla says you can.

Yes, the Energica bikes are fully compliant with their standards, but no motorcycle brand has been given approval to use anything outside of Magic Dock stations. It will error out and say something like "invalid vehicle" on your app.

[DonTom]

Until Tesla opens their network up you will not be able to use a SuperCharger with a vehicle not on the approved list. And right now that's Tesla and Ford. The stations check the VIN of what's attempting to charge and if it's not the list you cannot use it until Tesla says you can.

Yes, the Energica bikes are fully compliant with their standards, but no motorcycle brand has been given approval to use anything outside of Magic Dock stations. It will error out and say something like "invalid vehicle" on your app.

I thought that was only for the "Plug & Play". Anyway, I will try to activate it from my Tesla account just as I did with the Magic Dock in Placerville. I will post here what the exact error I get, as I will try it anyway.  I just hope it doesn't try to charge my Experia at 250 KW!


But if they are going to later read the VIN from Energica, I assume even Energicas will then be plug & charge, just as with Fords &  Teslas. That could be worth waiting for. But with Energica, a long wait has been the norm lately. My Experia was promised last September, came in Feb of the year after. And I am still waiting for my Experia Centerstand for more than a year. It may take a few years for Energica to give Tesla a list of VINS. Or perhaps Tesla will let us send in our own VINs.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[MVetter]

It's not going to work until Tesla flips the switch. It is entirely in their court. Energica is fully compliant and ready.

[Specter]

Of course Tesla is going to want YOU to provide the VIN.  It's not Energica's job to provide them the vin for every vehicle sold as I am sure there are probably very few tesla  stations in certain parts of the world.  When it comes time to pay for the charge, it will be YOU that pays, not Energica, so they will need YOUR info.  How would Energica know if a private sale was made and who owns the thing now?

They made themselves fully compliant with the latest update, and are just waiting for Tesla to turn it on basically at this point.  This does not mean that protocols won't change further for any or even all vehicles in the near future as the universal charging rolls out and they may find they need some extra controls in the protocol.

As for over charging your vehicle, it won't happen, that's why they talk to each other, if they do not agree, then the charge does not happen.

Aaron

[DonTom]

It's not going to work until Tesla flips the switch. It is entirely in their court. Energica is fully compliant and ready.

Any guesses of when "Tesla will flip the switch"?


I don't think either of my Energicas are "fully" compliant until I get the FW update which should be fairly soon now that I-80 looks clear enough for motorcycles going over the summit.


I hear I will get around three times the charge rate (8 KW)  at Tesla Superchargers after the FW update(24kw).


-Don-  Reno, NV