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[Specter]

Just a quick poll here, im curious.

ANY business that is going to offer you a charger, is going to need some sort of return on that investment, that's just common sense.

With that being said:

What do YOU consider to be a fair markup on prices to charge someone to charge up their bike / car / etc etc?

I've seen some places charge a flat fee per hour.
I've seen some places charge a flat fee of a dollar or two to use them period.
I've seen some places charge a flat fee AND per kilowatt
I've seen some places charge just per KW.

I've seen the KW price just a few pennies over the going rate from the power company
(Note on this: We have to remember that what YOU pay for electric at home, and what a business pays may be two totally different rates, and the business depending on of they are TOD,TOU, Peak, whatever can pay significantly HIGHER prices than you pay !)

I've seen the KW price that you pay double or more the going rate.  I guess for the convenience of charging there??

What would you say would be a fair business model for what to charge customers? 

By Fair, I mean Fair, not FREE !

Thank you

Aaron

[Specter]

Now for my inputs.

I can see paying a dollar or 2 a session,  someone has to pay for that machine, and that is fair.
I can also see paying per hour, AFTER a set number of hours, like after 2 or 3 hours.  This would alleviate those who'd park their car there all day, even after it's fully charged, and not let anyone else use it.  Stop the plug hogs.

I can also see paying an extra 100 percent of the going electric price too.  Again, he has bills to pay and that machine is NOT cheap !!  Plus if it's on any network, like charge point etc, the business has to pay THEM their pound of flesh too!  yes that shit can Nickle and dime you to death!

So in Jacksonville, my going electric rate is about 15 C / KW hour now.  (yah it went up   )

Even if I am running my bike REALLY obnoxious and getting 100 miles per full charge.  that's 20 KW per fill up.  At 30 cents kw/hr that's 6 bucks, lets throw in 2 to use the charger that.s 8 dollars to fill up.

My silverado gets 400 miles per tank, give or take a bit.  that's 80 dollars to fill that tank up.
Id need to fill my bike 4 times to get those 400 miles.  that's 32 dollars
We are still way ahead.

Aaron

[jotjotde]

Some numbers from Germany:
The average user pays between 0.51 €/kWh (EnBW) up to 0.81 €/kWh (Ionity) for CCS charging which includes approx. 0.13 €/kWh taxes  . CCS with 50 kW max is cheaper than with 300 kW. If you are a high consumer, you can get a flat rate or special rates.
For comparison: The average household in Germany pays approx. 0.47 €/kWh incl. taxes.

(BTW: If you leave your vehicle plugged in longer than 2 hours, you will pay usually 0.10 €/minute as a blocking fee.)


Is that price fair? IDK, but I think they are at least not grossly unfair.
Building a charger infrastructure is expensive. A 50 kW charger costs +10,000 € and installation adds a lot because all cabling is always put underground over here.

Comparison with ICE:
A full charge of my Ribelle is approx. 16 kWh or about 10 €. If I am going at reasonable speeds that takes me approx. 200 km.
My car would consume 15 liters over that distance, costing 30 € (yeah, we are at 2€ per liter over here!). So, riding my Ribelle is cheaper and if using wind-generated power, much greener 

[Fran K]

You really expect me to believe the submarine manufacturinng facility in my state pays more per kwh than my residential rate?

"I've seen the KW price just a few pennies over the going rate from the power company
(Note on this: We have to remember that what YOU pay for electric at home, and what a business pays may be two totally different rates, and the business depending on of they are TOD,TOU, Peak, whatever can pay significantly HIGHER prices than you pay !)"

Fair in my current opinion would be everyone has to wait in line equally and pays the same rate or rate structure.

To discuss mark up would be pretty complex.  Do storage charging stations exist, that charge up off peak?