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[nekodan]

It seems like many auto manufacturers and EV charging stations are adopting the Tesla designed NACS port over the J1772. I have a DSR/X and I’ve also purchased an adapter that lets me charge it with my Tesla wall charger. Would be cool to have a retrofit for the bike to have a NACS port. Perhaps the 2024 models will be equipped with it?

[MVetter]

doubt it

Just carry a TeslaTap Mini around

[DonTom]

It seems like many auto manufacturers and EV charging stations are adopting the Tesla designed NACS port over the J1772. I have a DSR/X and I’ve also purchased an adapter that lets me charge it with my Tesla wall charger. Would be cool to have a retrofit for the bike to have a NACS port. Perhaps the 2024 models will be equipped with it?

I see no real advantage of the NACS port on a DSR/X as it only charges with AC into its own DC charger. Best to just carry the adapter and be able to use J-1772 as well as the TDSs.


Even Teslas need to carry an adapter to use J-1772.  So not a big deal to use a Tesla-Tap when you need to use a TDS or Wall Connector. I also have a Tesla Wall Connector (12 KW) at each of my houses that I charge all my EVs with. Seven EVs total.



However, the NACS will soon be a new standard, IMO. I expect Energica to go to such someday, but perhaps not Zero unless Zero decides to make a bike that can be charged at a DCFC.


But I expect we will still have J-1772 for many, many years to come. Right now, that is what can charge every EV made, AFAIK. It ain't going away anytime soon.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Oilcan]

I see no reason to change anytime soon. In fact the new Tesla universe wall charger has the magic dock with both the J1773 and NACS. With the announcement this week that Hilton will be installing up to 20,000 of them at 2000 of their hotels in North America we will have a lot more charging locations. These chargers are 48 amp giving up to 11 kw output. I would expect other hotel chains to follow soon.
With the rapid charger option and all these new chargers longer trips just got faster on a Zero.

[DonTom]

I see no reason to change anytime soon. In fact the new Tesla universe wall charger has the magic dock with both the J1773 and NACS. With the announcement this week that Hilton will be installing up to 20,000 of them at 2000 of their hotels in North America we will have a lot more charging locations. These chargers are 48 amp giving up to 11 kw output. I would expect other hotel chains to follow soon.
With the rapid charger option and all these new chargers longer trips just got faster on a Zero.

So far, Tesla has only been putting the Magic Dock where not at all needed. Such as where I tried the Magic Dock on my Energica Experia in Placerville, CA. It charged at 8 KW max on Magic Dock. I could charge the same bike at 24 KW a mile from there on a real CCS station.  Telsa has been very slow with its Magic Dock. Most are in New york, two in CA and the newest one is in Texas. AFAIK, none of them are at needed locations such as Lake Topaz, NV or Susuanville, CA. Both these locations have Telsa Superchargers and no CCS for many miles.


I wonder if this will ever come, Magic Dock is probably causing a big delay. But the waiting list is here.  I would be happy to pay a thousand bucks for one:









-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Oilcan]

The chargers being placed at the 2,000 hotels are level 2. I don’t expect Tesla is going to roll out that many more DC fast chargers with the magic dock now that most of the legacy auto manufacturers are switching to NACS.

[DonTom]

The chargers being placed at the 2,000 hotels are level 2. I don’t expect Tesla is going to roll out that many more DC fast chargers with the magic dock now that most of the legacy auto manufacturers are switching to NACS.

I am finding level two is often free and are everywhere these days.


BTW, I try NOT to call level two as "chargers" as level two is just and AC source for the charger inside the EV. Kinda like any other AC outlet.


I am finding more and more level two, but less and less CCS these days. While I realize there are many more CCS than three years ago, they are all grouped together in larger cities. Many of the CCS elsewhere are broken and I could ride to more places on CCS three years ago than I can today on my SS9. At least my Experia has the range usually skip one of such stations.


But new J1772's are popping up in many places in the last year. And not all in the larger cities.


An example is where I am charging right now. A free charge here.  And no CCS here.


-Don-  Georgetown, CA

[Oilcan]

I think the proper term is EVSE. Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment.  While some of us know they are not chargers, that’s what most people call them.

[DonTom]

I think the proper term is EVSE. Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment.  While some of us know they are not chargers, that’s what most people call them.

NBD, as long as there is communication. But I never cared for the term "EVSE" as it sounds like that can mean just about anything. But "charger" can be confused with the charger inside the EV when we are dealing with L1 & L2 charging.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Specter]

J plugs, Level 1, 2, They are power supplies.  The charger is on / in your bike.
The CCS IS a charger because it's hooking directly to your battery and not being manipulated / converted AC-DC in another device.

People will just look at the end result and say, when I plug it in it charges so it's a charger.  ok, whatever.

Of course you will find more level 2's,  those are basically just running a power cord and hooking it to a switch and a goofy plug. Viola now I can say I am 'green' , 'compliant' and all the other wonderful buzz words for very little money.  It'd cost a few hundred dollars for the actual SWITCH to be a level 1 or 2.

CCS now you have to actually convert the power, it takes a LOT more power, so a lot more infrastructure to run one, and a LOT more expensive.  Now instead of a few hundred dollars for a switch, you are paying at least a few thousand dollars for a  full blown charger that typically the smallest I've seen starts at 10 KW (by ampacity at the plug).  Prices vary but from what I have seen they start at about 2200 dollars and go up fast from there.

If I am trying to virtue signal, yah Ill let you suck 40 cents an hour of my electricity for your car on a L1 or 2, so you can virtue signal too, but I am NOT going to put a full on CCS and let you suck 4 dollars an hour for free off me.  You KNOW if someone offered CCS for free, the moochers would be lined up 24  / 7 for that feeding trough.

Electricity costs money, so does the equipment to feed your vehicles, and from what I am gathering from posts on these boards, it breaks down a lot, so that means it will cost even MORE money to keep running properly.  Now throw in a populous that would spend 5 dollars to run across town because someone offered 50 cents for FREE, and that's a recipe for going broke fast.  Especially when you consider you have to insure the stuff too so that whiplash wang does not decide to 'trip' on your cord and sue you, because his rent is due and well.. free shit...

I would not expect a major proliferation of 'free' chargers anytime soon, at least, none that really have a decent charging rate.
Let's take just a Ribelle, charge them at 10 hours a day for a month, that's going to cost the charger owner about 300 dollars a month.  Don't see that lasting long once the bill starts coming in.

Just an observation.

Aaron

[Richard230]

Besides the obvious cost of installing the L2 or CCS stations, don't forget the infrastructure expense of installing the electrical underground conduit between a public power source, like a utility pole or service box, to the new EV station. That is not cheap, depending upon the distance involved.

[TeslaTap]

TeslaTap has designed a NACS conversion kit for the Zero SR/S. They should be available to the public soon. The kit allows from BOTH NACS and J-1772 chargers up to 19.7kW... https://www.myteslatap.com/nacs13.jpg   https://www.myteslatap.com/nacs6.jpg

[Specter]

Wow, a shill for a company selling stuff,  whuda thunkit.

There are adapters out there from a few companies now.

Personally Id rather have the CCS1 and the 100 dollar adapter.  This way I can use BOTH stations.  If you get just the tesla fixture, then you are pretty much obligated to just his stations.... UNLESS..... you want to buy the 100 dollar converter to use CCS too.

pay peter or pay paul, in the end you'll need a fairly reasonably priced adapter one way or another.  I can not see a charger owner spending a few thousand to put a new cable / system into his stuff out of HIS pockets when he can just tell YOU to pay the few dollars to make it work, if you want to use his rig.

Aaron

[MVetter]

No reason for hostility. I have no problem with a TeslaTap rep here; I think that's a good and useful thing. Hello, TeslaTap person!

[Specter]

Still, it's polite to introduce yourself first, not just dive in first post, shilling a product, no intro, background, nothing. 
Too many spammers do that. 
If he's a legit company, let people KNOW that, that you ARE a rep and a reliable / respectable source of info.
Hearing YOU talk about no hostility?  Oh that's rich!

Aaron