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[Richard230]

It looks like Tesla was fibbing a bit when they specified long battery ranges for their cars.    See the attached article that was in my newspaper today.

[Specter]

Richard, over time, I think you are going to see that EVERYWHERE with electric vehicles.
Shit, even the gas ones, the 'estimated' mpg is always way high, afterall they want to sell you a vehicle now don't they?

Legally, since they said 'estimated range' that E word, gets them off the hook pretty much.  Given the EPA I believe is who set the standard on how it's measured etc etc, they can always claim,well THEY made the standard and we had to abide, otherwise we would have said bla bla.   You know the blame game.

TBH when I load my ICE up with crap, the mileage goes about in half.  My saturn was getting 23 mpg, when id tow or load it down id get maybe 14 mpg.  Umm DUUH...so why do people think that an electric vehicle will be any different, especially when half the clowns don't have a clue how to tow properly to begin with!

That little kicker, YOUR results may vary, is their saving grace.  also, somewhere i would put money they have in very tiny print, that specs can change too without notice.  They all do that as well.

FWIW boats are the same way.  Mine was rated to be able to do 40 mph to 45 mph, I was lucky to get 35 off it, and that's jacked, trimmed etc etc.  their story. well we were in 'race mode'  ie meaning the boat was pretty much empty, a low center console, anything to reduce drag.  Now YOU on a fishing trip, with coolers, cargo and beer, well that's a different story.

look at racing bikes,  even  having 3 or 4  gallons of gas on the thing is dragging their times out...

They don't like Tesla anymore since he took over Twatter and broke the leftards censorship iron curtain, so are going to try to discredit him any way they can.  I always take ANY claims on ANY vehicles  to begin with, and any articles on them, both good or bad, with a huge grain of salt.  What we don't always see is the authors agenda.

Whatever is advertised, Id expect maybe 75 percent of that, on a good / normal day.  Way less if you are actually working the thing now,  or its cold out.

Aaron

[DonTom]

It looks like Tesla was fibbing a bit when they specified long battery ranges for their cars.    See the attached article that was in my newspaper today.

Doesn't the APA figure the range for Tesla?  It is to be used for comparison to other vehicles.


I have no complaints about the range of my 2018 Tesla M3, AWD LR.


-Don-  Auburm, CA

[Richard230]

This news report made all of the local SF Bay Area news stations last night. They made it sound worse than the problem likely is. I think there was mention of a class action lawsuit against Tesla for inflating their range claims. I guess it was a slow news day.

[Specter]

It will go nowhere.  It's the leftards ongoing war against Tesla now that he took over twatter and won't let them censor differing opinions or hide inconvenient facts on things anymore.

If you look at pretty much ALL EV manu's  their mileage claims have some blurb,  according to EPA estimates or something along those lines.  the EPA states how they need to do the math and then report that number.  The word estimated, and your experience may differ etc etc are also in there.  Overall this is just designed to cost him money one way or another as 'punishment'.

I would also bet that a good number of ice cars are a bit stretchy on their claims as well if we want to look at them with the same level of scrutiny.

Will be mildly amusing to watch the circus they put up over it.

Aaron

[Ashveratu]

It's just over inflated BS from the media trying keep the oil companies in power a little longer. The ranges come from the EPA, not Tesla. It has been known for decades that the methods the EPA uses to determine mpg and range are nowhere close to what you get in the real world. Why is this news now? Because oil companies are paying people to make it news to try to slow down electric vehicle sales. Plain and simple.

[DonTom]

It's just over inflated BS from the media trying keep the oil companies in power a little longer. The ranges come from the EPA, not Tesla. It has been known for decades that the methods the EPA uses to determine mpg and range are nowhere close to what you get in the real world. Why is this news now? Because oil companies are paying people to make it news to try to slow down electric vehicle sales. Plain and simple.

According to the Tesla Forum, Tesla asked the EPA to LOWER the range of the Telsa RWD models.


The EPA will lower the range estimate just by asking but will never increase the range according to their own findings.


The reason Tesla asked them to LOWER the range of the Telsa RWD model is because the car that costs 5K$ less than the AWD models got the best range. Tesla did not want to claim a lower range for the more expensive car. In reality, the cheaper Tesla RWDs will get around 35 miles more range per charge than the more expensive AWD.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Specter]

Which is rediculous in a way.  Be honest but be creative in your marketing.  I mean, look at Starbucks,  they took the worst coffee one could possibly buy, they over roasted it to the point where it is burnt oily garbage BUT... because they had an incredibly creative marketing team, AND effective, they fooled millions into believing it was something special and only for them!!!

Tesla could easily do the same thing in a way with their cars, but THIS model, has AWD, but nicer leather, smoother take off, better comfy AC bla bla.  Don't lie but brag up what it does have, and suddenly the lower specs in item A category suddenly are not so bad looking anymore.

It's also a no brainer of course the one with TWO motors, ie MORE weight,  TWO paths to burn electricity etc is going to use a battery faster, but the trade off is, better traction, faster response, bla bla... Play it tesla PLAY IT.

I bet you could take one of these stupid pocket battery charger thingies, like the 10500 mWatthour portable charging station batteries that look like a pack of cigarettes, tell people it's a range booster for their tesla, plug it into the lighter and it backfeeds over 10K  mWATTHOURS back into your electrical distribution motor dispatch system!!  Charge them 100 bucks for the thing, and it'd probably fly out the door so fast you'd have to hire 2 more crews to make them.

The reality is, yes technically it will boost the range, maybe get an extra 23 feet out of the thing so no you are not lying but just the big flashy numbers for the sheeple to fixate on,  you will be a millionaire overnight.

BaaaAAaAAAAhhhHHh   Range...   RaaAAAAaAAAAnnngeeeEEE  BAAAAaaahhhHHHhh.

Hurry people.

I got words for sale !!
Send me 5 dollars now to 1313 Mockingbird Lane, Bugtussle,OK, 69669

Aaron

[Richard230]

As expected, here come the lawsuits.

[Richard230]

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[DonTom]

I didn't even see the speed, temperature or conditions mentioned.

So much nonsense, Tesla will win this one for sure.


I recall seeing a chart NOT done by Tesla, that shows the range of the Tesla M3 LR RWD  to be 438 miles at a steady 38 MPH.


Telsa EV EPA range estimates are lower because they are done at 65 MPH.


If the guy is driving 80 MPH, he is getting great range, then be happy with around 150 miles of range.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[princec]

"Man complains about physics"

Shocked, I am. Shocked.

Cas

[Starpower]

It looks like Tesla was fibbing a bit when they specified long battery ranges for their cars.    See the attached article that was in my newspaper today.

Doesn't the APA figure the range for Tesla?  It is to be used for comparison to other vehicles.


I have no complaints about the range of my 2018 Tesla M3, AWD LR.


-Don-  Auburm, CA

Don, I also have a '18 M3 AWD LR. I'm at 30,000 mi. and when set at 100% charge I cannot get above 280 mi. It does not matter if it's a supercharger or a slow L1 charege.  I typically charge to 90% giving me about 254 mi. Tesla tells me this is normal battery ageing (30k mi.??) and it considers driving habits. On the hwy I set it at 72 mph.  Many times I've taken it below 20% and attempted a 100% charge but nothing changes. Reboot's and all 'net posted "fixes" resolve nothing.

What is your experience? Have you ever done a full 100% charge and see anything over 300 mi.?

I do love the car and I'm fine with the range I get, but there are times when that extra 30-40 mi. would be nice.

[DonTom]

Don, I also have a '18 M3 AWD LR. I'm at 30,000 mi. and when set at 100% charge I cannot get above 280 mi. It does not matter if it's a supercharger or a slow L1 charege.  I typically charge to 90% giving me about 254 mi. Tesla tells me this is normal battery ageing (30k mi.??) and it considers driving habits. On the hwy I set it at 72 mph.  Many times I've taken it below 20% and attempted a 100% charge but nothing changes. Reboot's and all 'net posted "fixes" resolve nothing.

What is your experience? Have you ever done a full 100% charge and see anything over 300 mi.?

I do love the car and I'm fine with the range I get, but there are times when that extra 30-40 mi. would be nice.

A couple of questions. Did you drive below 0 SOC?  That is good for around another 30 miles, IIRC.  Also, you have to drive at a steady 65 MPH on level ground with no wind and moderate temps to get the spec range.


But no, I have yet to go more than 200 miles on a charge with my Tesla.


But as with all EVs, I can get better or worse than the advertised range depending on many factors.  I have never needed as much range as I can get with my Tesla M3 LW, AWD. Since I purchased it new in 2018, I have only done three fast charges on it.  Two of those were on an overnight trip (one was when I purchased my Energica in Mt. View, CA) and one of the other charges I didn't even really need, as I could have made it home without it.


I ride motorcycles a lot more than drive cars. My 2018 Tesla has less than 12,000 miles on it.


-Don- Auburn, CA

[Ashveratu]

My 2018 dual motor long range has 65k miles on her. Daily charge limit set to 80%. I have no idea how long I can actually go on a full charge. I have completed 8 trips going from Maryland to Florida and back. (my sister is wife of Florida man). What I do know is the cars range outlasts my bladder and finishes charging before I am ready to continue most times.

One of these days I'll make the trip on the Energica.