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[Merlin]

Thank you for all the thoughts and opinions. Very helpful and much appreciated.

Quick question on charging: I have a Level 2 EV charger in my garage with a J1772 connector. This charger is plugged into a 240VAC 50A circuit via a 14-50R plug. The charger is rated up to 40 amps.
Would the following work for charging the DS: The J1772 connector from the EV charger would plug into a Tuscon EV PEV adapter. The 3 x 5-15R plugs would then connect to the following:

Zero OBC

Zero Quick Charge 1

Zero Quick Charger 2

Would the above also work with just the OBC and one Zero Quick Charger?

Thanks again.
 

[Specter]

It should work.
One quirky thing that might be an issue but Id have to see it to say yes or no.
The 3 x 15 amps coming off the 50 amp.   the 50 amp is 240 volt,  the 15's Im assuming is 115 volt, coming off either side of the 240 to Neutral.

With that, when hooking them all together to basically parallel charge the battery, if they are not on isolated circuiits, and one of them is coming off the other side of the 240 v as the other ones, the ripple phase (i think that's what you call it) could cause issues with circulating current / charging amps etc. thru the chargers.

yes an oddball problem, probably unlikely to happen but just something to keep in mind.

Aaron

[TheRan]

Perhaps I'm being dense, but seeing as the "charger" isn't hardwired why use it at all? Just build a 14-50R to 3x whatever the American mains plug is called and swap to that whenever you want to charge the bike. Or you could streamline it even further and go 14-50R to 3x IEC C14 to go straight into the bike and quick chargers.

[DonTom]

Thank you for all the thoughts and opinions. Very helpful and much appreciated.

Quick question on charging: I have a Level 2 EV charger in my garage with a J1772 connector. This charger is plugged into a 240VAC 50A circuit via a 14-50R plug. The charger is rated up to 40 amps.
Would the following work for charging the DS: The J1772 connector from the EV charger would plug into a Tuscon EV PEV adapter. The 3 x 5-15R plugs would then connect to the following:

• Zero OBC
  
  Zero Quick Charge 1
  
  Zero Quick Charger 2
  

Would the above also work with just the OBC and one Zero Quick Charger?

Thanks again.

Yes, it will all work fine from 240 VAC. With the Zero stuff, the current draw goes down as the voltage is increased, so you draw less current with the 240 VAC but the charge rate stays as if you were using 120 VAC. With the above, you will charge at around 3 KW.


BTW, I do something like that here, quite often, to charge my 2017 Zeros at home.  The only difference here is I use a Tesla Wall Connector and a Tesla-Tap to convert to the J-1772 standard. You will not have to bother with the Tesla-Tap  as you're starting with a real J-1772. 


On the road, I use the Elcons that will give me twice the power at 240 VAC. i always leave the DeltaQ's (Zero external chargers) at home.


At home, I can use both at the same time and charge my Zero SR (with the pwr tank) at as much as 12 KW. But I normally only charge it at 3 KW when at home. On the road, it is too much stuff to carry, So I charge my SR at just under 8 KW during trips. And sometimes I have to disconnect the OBC because I can overload the charge station because my stuff ignores the pilot signal that would normally reduce the power. So I have to adjust manually.  Many J-1772 stations can only handle around 7.2 KW (30 amps @ 240 VAC). But their capacity varies from 3KW to 16,800 watts (12.5 amps to 70 amps) at different locations.


-Don-   Reno, NV

[Merlin]

Perhaps I'm being dense, but seeing as the "charger" isn't hardwired why use it at all? Just build a 14-50R to 3x whatever the American mains plug is called and swap to that whenever you want to charge the bike. Or you could streamline it even further and go 14-50R to 3x IEC C14 to go straight into the bike and quick chargers.

Thanks for that idea! I agree that a cable would need to be built.

I have one of these though the voltage for the four 5-15R receptacles is 120 and not 240. https://www.amazon.com/MECMO-Distribution-Adapter-Household-Generator/dp/B0BQVR5CML?ref_=ast_sto_dp

[DonTom]

Thanks for that idea! I agree that a cable would need to be built.

I carry both, but the J-1772 adapter is still needed for road trips. Yeah, for 240 VAC you will have to make it yourself. I made several, but they get very little use.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Specter]

Perhaps I'm being dense, but seeing as the "charger" isn't hardwired why use it at all? Just build a 14-50R to 3x whatever the American mains plug is called and swap to that whenever you want to charge the bike. Or you could streamline it even further and go 14-50R to 3x IEC C14 to go straight into the bike and quick chargers.

Thanks for that idea! I agree that a cable would need to be built.

I have one of these though the voltage for the four 5-15R receptacles is 120 and not 240. https://www.amazon.com/MECMO-Distribution-Adapter-Household-Generator/dp/B0BQVR5CML?ref_=ast_sto_dp

Merlin, what I did is, the basic charger, the J-1772 has a 14-50? is it, the 4 prong 50 amp basically dryer plug.  From there, if you are handy with a screwdriver and essentially wire strippers, get yourself some 10 Ga wire and make pig tails to change the plugs.  Just a female of the main charger on one end, and then on the other end, all the different male sizes.  The overall pigtails you make is maybe a foot long if that, very small.  I have 4 of them which I keep with my charger on the bike.  That way, no matter where I am at, if they got a plug, any plug, I just pigtail to match THEIR outlet, and plug my charger into it.  if you are at a friends house, restaurant, wherever,  hey, can I borrow your dryer outlet for a few?  can I borrow your AC outlet?, Let me borrow your tig / welder outlet?, water heater outlet?   ANYwhere there is a plug, you just grab that one foot long (but twistable into a loop cause it IS wire, and easier to store), adapter, match your charger's plug and away you go!

I used 10 ga because while 12 ga can handle it, the 10 gives a bit more leeway, especially if people may walk on it, it's setting in the hot sun etc, and it's not THAT much more thicker.  I ended up actually making about a 40 ft extension cord.  My one friend lives in an apartment and I run it around the corner, into the window and into the laundry room to grab an outlet to charge   If you goto someone's house, yes you can probably find 115 volt (usa) right at the front door or right in the driveway, but if you want a decent charge rate at 240, the ext cord helps get to where THAT plug is at.

It all fits nicely into one bag, and leaves room in the bag still for other stuff.   If you are going on trips, yes one should plan their stops to accommodate fuel needs but it's also fun to be able to grab a juice up 'anywhere along the way' too!  If you are wanting to do multi chargers, whatever your situation is, you can easily adapt and make it very portable as needed.

Aaron

[DonTom]

Perhaps I'm being dense, but seeing as the "charger" isn't hardwired why use it at all? Just build a 14-50R to 3x whatever the American mains plug is called and swap to that whenever you want to charge the bike. Or you could streamline it even further and go 14-50R to 3x IEC C14 to go straight into the bike and quick chargers.

Thanks for that idea! I agree that a cable would need to be built.

I have one of these though the voltage for the four 5-15R receptacles is 120 and not 240. https://www.amazon.com/MECMO-Distribution-Adapter-Household-Generator/dp/B0BQVR5CML?ref_=ast_sto_dp

You should be able to modify that above thingy for 240 VAC.  A separate 120 VAC  hot wire goes to each 120 VAC outlet. Remove the neutral line wire (usually white) on the opposite side--it is not needed at all. Put one of the hot wires there (usually black) there and you will have 240 VAC on each outlet. Leave the ground prong (usually green) as is.  Also keep the connection between what was the neutrals on the outlets.


Not really designed for such, but if you can get into that outlet to make such a change it will work and then you will have two 240VAC outlets that will accept 120 VAC plugs. Just make sure you NEVER plug in a 120 VAC only item into it.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Motoproponent]

My wife is a bit shorter than you (5'6" and a few pounds lighter, but I'm a gentleman so I'm not going to say exactly how much), she has a 2020 DSR with the Charge Tank.

she has about 22,000 miles on it so far. 90 percent of the time she uses it for commuting. While we have a couple of level 2 chargers on the property she never needs them. We have a regular 120V household outlet with an "Alexa" compatible switch. This is what she uses to charge unless we go on a road trip or something. She usually charges every other day. The smart switch makes it easy to start charging after the rates go to Off-Peak around midnight. "Alexa, turn on The Zero at 2AM". Then when we leave for work around 0700 she has ~90%.

She has never come home needing to recharge in less than overnight. There have been times when she forgot to tell Alexa to charge it and needed put it on the level 2 while she gets ready and eats breakfast.

If we go on longer rides, a 200-250 mile day is her limit. At the pace we ride together she can get 90-100 miles from a full charge. We usually plan a lunch stop of an hour or so, around the 80 mile mark. Then a top off stop to stretch our legs, if needed, that is just enough to get to the hotel/back home. (very rarely is that a full charge to 100%). For multi day trips I got a 25 feet long 14AWG cord from a computer supply shop that makes it pretty easy to find an outlet to plug into at the hotel so we get up in the morning with a full charge for the next leg. Here in Northern California, level 2 J-plugs arent too hard to find. At 3.3 to 6.6 kilowatts they are never busy. Since we're eating lunch anyway a 90 minute stop isn't a deal breaker.

She has no trouble on maintained fire roads and the like. The 19 inch front tire makes the off-pavement handling pretty easy. If you're looking to ride without needing a support vehicle, like if you want to ride to the dirtroad/campsite and then ride the dirt roads, and you're not riding like Travis Pastrana or in much of a hurry....... I think a DS or DSR would be fine. I highly recommend the Charge Tank if you ever want to do more than 100 miles at a stretch. You could probably even save some money by picking up a used bike without it and installing a charge tank yourself or getting it installed by the dealer.

Her ownership experience has also been drama free, but that may be because we have never had to take it to the dealership. It's needed one new set of tires and a brake fluid change... and thats it. I did the brake fluid myself and the tires were just a matter of taking the wheels off and dropping them off at Cycle Gear. The only issue she's had is the plastic front fender has sun-faded way faster than the other plastic parts on the bike. It hasn't bothered her enough to replace it.