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Re: Ford EV owners to get access to Tesla Supercharger network
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2023, 10:51:58 PM »

Your smart phone is not off, because you pushed the off button.
You may like to think it's off but it's not.
Unless you totally remove the battery, which very few allow you to do anymore, it's NOT off.
Arron,


I am very aware that cell phones do not totally turn off. Neither do trunking transceivers. I was an Emergency Radio Systems Technician for 35 years before I retired. While the GPS will be off (in most cases, I think), the data bursts for control is still there and that can be tracked by Cell Tower Triangulation. But what I was referring to is the bootup time it takes for me to use my cell. I don't even care if I am tracked. Nothing to hide. But I realize a lot of criminals get busted that way, thinking they are safe if they do not use their cell that they have with them. Like you say the safe way is to remove the battery when possible. But my new cell does not allow that. My old one did, and I kept the battery out, not to avoid being tracked, but the cell battery charge would then last a full month, unlike the few days when the battery was in with the phone off.


I only use my cell for outgoing messages when I must, rarely for anything else. I average less than six calls per year. Kinda like my inReach. Rarely use it, but it sure is handy when it is needed.


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Re: Ford EV owners to get access to Tesla Supercharger network
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2023, 04:29:07 AM »

Even when it is 'off' your phone can have it's GPS, microphone,camera turned on to take a quick picture, location or voice recording and send it off...somewhere.

I have a friend with a letter agency, they do it all the time with drug dealers to help track and build cases to later bust them.

Hell, even the damned street lights all have 1080P cameras built right into them now to watch you go fromlight pole to light pole as you drive.  They don't even need to do that.  Ooh hey a crime happened at 9 pm on 5th and main.  To get YOUR record they'd need a search warrant, to get a radius log or a ping log, they just need to ask, hey we got a crime scene can we get a list of the phones that pinged within 5 miles of this location at 9 pm last night, then they weed out from there.

It's all too easy.

Oh and BTW you can buy a stinger for about 800 bucks if you know where to look.  They are pretty awesome devices.

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« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2023, 06:25:43 AM »

Even when it is 'off' your phone can have it's GPS, microphone,camera turned on to take a quick picture, location or voice recording and send it off...somewhere.

I have a friend with a letter agency, they do it all the time with drug dealers to help track and build cases to later bust them.

Hell, even the damned street lights all have 1080P cameras built right into them now to watch you go fromlight pole to light pole as you drive.  They don't even need to do that.  Ooh hey a crime happened at 9 pm on 5th and main.  To get YOUR record they'd need a search warrant, to get a radius log or a ping log, they just need to ask, hey we got a crime scene can we get a list of the phones that pinged within 5 miles of this location at 9 pm last night, then they weed out from there.

It's all too easy.

Oh and BTW you can buy a stinger for about 800 bucks if you know where to look.  They are pretty awesome devices.

Aaron
Yeah, these days assume you're on camera everywhere.


But not all the cellphones are designed the same way such as if the GPS is on or off when the phone is off. But can probably be controlled remotely. Part of my job was to "brick" stolen portable police radios--so they will never turn on again until I give the command to unbrick. A little different than cell phones, but not by a whole lot. So yeah, a lot can be controlled remotely. These did not have a GPS in them. But perhaps it is an option these days in police radios. It's been ten years and things change a lot in ten years.


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Re: Ford EV owners to get access to Tesla Supercharger network
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2023, 06:33:12 AM »

Our city radios were the same way.  The motorola that weighed like 4 lbs, but those things were almost indestructable.  Mine got hung up on a ladder once and took a 35 foot drop to limestone.  it bounced and was fine.  The only thing I did not like with those radios was the freq they used,  220 Mhz is terrible for penetration in buildings, and really wish they'd have gone with the 400 / 440 mhz bands.

But yah if one got stolen they'd put the 'call' out and the moment the radio turned on and bleeped a repeater, which is the first thing they did when turned on, it'd kill it.

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« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2023, 07:13:33 AM »

Our city radios were the same way.  The motorola that weighed like 4 lbs, but those things were almost indestructable.  Mine got hung up on a ladder once and took a 35 foot drop to limestone.  it bounced and was fine.  The only thing I did not like with those radios was the freq they used,  220 Mhz is terrible for penetration in buildings, and really wish they'd have gone with the 400 / 440 mhz bands.

But yah if one got stolen they'd put the 'call' out and the moment the radio turned on and bleeped a repeater, which is the first thing they did when turned on, it'd kill it.

Aaron
We used the 800 MHZ band in San Francisco (where I worked). Trunked Simulcast. Mortola SmartNet.


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Re: Ford EV owners to get access to Tesla Supercharger network
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2023, 11:22:34 PM »

A whole bunch of stuff has GPS in it now, it's literally just a tiny chip nowadays.

We had an incident, they put a keyfob that looked like a typical start the vehicle fob in our vehicle, BUT being Union dumb asses.  They did not explain what it was to ANY of us.

Me and my partner are driving between plants, running parts to get ready to fix some stuff because the generator tripped earlier in the day and I am like, oh this old POS has electric doors and start now?  I push the  buttons, nothing happens.  My buddy looks at it and says it looks like a ChevyFob and these are Fords, I wonder if someone left it here, chirp it and see if anyone's alarms go off in the parking lot so we can tell them, Hey, I got your keys in the truck / shop etc.  He pushes it, nothing.

We go about our way.  About 10 minutes later, we are being followed by a few cars, then 2 marked cops show up and are following us.  Ok, not really paying attention.  Next thing you know one of them pulls in front of us,two jump out guns drawn, GET OUT OF THE TRUCK!  We comply.

It turns out the Fkn fobs were their new, "Emergency Panic Warning System"  Pressing the Keyfob activates an emergency signal basically saying you are being Robbed, Car Jacked, Assaulted, in Dire need of help.  I work for the power company, and yes sadly from time to time our people DID get assaulted out in the field.  It had a built in GPS, that tied into the city system, and our vehicles also had tracking on them so your manager could look at a map and see at any time where you were, how fast you are driving etc etc.  (Which is why most of us would just take our personal vehicles and just take the gas money per mileage)

After a few minutes we got it all sorted out.  Plus side, yes they showed up REAL FAST.  Down Side, jesus F... what if one of the cops got a bit over anxious and someone got shot?  You basically broadcast Felons Stole Vehicle / Kidnapping in Progress to them !!

The amount of tracking is just crazy, and everything has it now.  Makes it easier for big brother to watch you w/o needing those pesky search warrants, and probably cause and all that other tedious gets in the way stuff.

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Re: Ford EV owners to get access to Tesla Supercharger network
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2023, 12:35:21 PM »

Next thing you know one of them pulls in front of us,two jump out guns drawn, GET OUT OF THE TRUCK!  We comply.
Sounds like you had an exciting day!


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Re: Ford EV owners to get access to Tesla Supercharger network
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2023, 10:51:47 PM »

Here is the latest U.S. Tesla charging station access analysis by the AP.
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2023, 05:30:00 AM »

Here is the latest U.S. Tesla charging station access analysis by the AP.
That is old news. The only thing I really want to know is when I can charge up my Energicas from the Tesla Supercharger at Lake Topaz, NV, Incline Village, NV (the only CCS there has been dead for 8 months, right next to a dozen or so working Tesla SuperChargers) and in Susanville, CA and a few dozen other places there they only have Tesla Superchargers and nothing else.


I could not care less about them having the Magic Dock in Placerville, CA where I can charge three times faster a half mile away.


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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2023, 07:20:02 PM »

I heard this morning on the financial news that Electrify America will be jumping on the Tesla charging network bandwagon and will be offering a Tesla connector option on their existing and new charging stations starting in 2025.
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« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2023, 09:23:10 PM »

Richard, the ONLY reason I don't see one now, my theory is, patents and money making.
Tesla already said he is going to 'Electrify America' with his chargers.  Let him do the leg work, THEN let someone else do all the other work, let THEM design an adapter to let the rest of the world use his chargers.  Read between the lines.  Let THEM spend the R and D for the adapters, Let THEM take on the liability if something goes woof.  He can charge them, say a 5 dollar royalty for every one they sell and make millions easily.

Ive looked all over for one for my bike to use on the Tesla super chargers since that's the closest thing to me, to no avail really.
They WILL SELL once they are made available.  Even if Tesla does not get any money from the adapters themselves, using HIS chargers, he will make the money from that.  If everyone is adapting to HIS product, HE then becomes the standard, and standard bearer.  Everyone else does  not necessarily have to change THEIR design, and make any other CCS chargers obsolete / unusable, (which could also open him up to monopoly crying from the scumbags in the legal world), they just simply need to offer the 89 dollar adapter to make your car chargeable with the CCS  AND his.  It's brilliant really, he's getting long term contracts with all the major manu's and setting his seat early.

I am happy to see this, the more they make it simpler for an E vehicle driver to fill up, the quicker people can adapt and make the change.

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Re: Ford EV owners to get access to Tesla Supercharger network
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2023, 09:27:14 PM »

I heard this morning on the financial news that Electrify America will be jumping on the Tesla charging network bandwagon and will be offering a Tesla connector option on their existing and new charging stations starting in 2025.
I assume they will all be doing such one of these years, if they want to stay in the charging business.  The Tesla connector will be the new standard and CCS will fade away as did CHAdeMO.


J-1772 is less of an issue because the AC adapters are cheap and very common, unlike the high-power DC adapters.


It probably won't be long before we have a Tesla to CCS adapter for the older vehicles (like my 2023 Energica Experia!)


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« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2023, 03:46:14 AM »

Took less time to get around to motorcycles than I thought it would. See here.


"Tesla Charging Network For Electric Motorcycles? Verge Motorcycles Says Yes!"

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Re: Ford EV owners to get access to Tesla Supercharger network
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2023, 08:42:26 AM »

I want to know when Energica will offer us a NACS outlet refit option (along with a software update). I may give an arm and/or leg for that.
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Re: Ford EV owners to get access to Tesla Supercharger network
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2023, 11:08:52 AM »

I want to know when Energica will offer us a NACS outlet refit option (along with a software update). I may give an arm and/or leg for that.
I think you will soon find a Tesla Supercharger to CCS adapter available for non-Tesla. I would guess within the next few months. Yeah, I would be willing to pay at least a thousand bucks for one.


You can get on the waiting list here, with your email.


See:

"Where can I buy a Tesla to CCS adapter?"

It is just above where you enter your email, about halfway down the page.

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