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Will I get my Experia before winter starts?

yes
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maybe
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My guess is as good as yours.
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Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: December 31, 2022, 02:24:28 PM


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Zekoslav_Mrkva

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Re: It's December!
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2022, 06:59:03 AM »

I am not sure if California's drought will ever be over.   :(
I just looked it up here.   CA drought is over!  Until the next one!


-Don-  Reno, NV

I might be wrong, but I believe that drought is over, and another one started about a month later.  (That article was from 2019!)
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Re: It's December!
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2022, 07:40:03 AM »

Last week I saw a chart on the local TV news that showed the entire Central Valley designated as an area of "Exceptional Drought", while most of the rest of the State was in an "Extreme Drought". After this weekend's rain, hopefully things will be a little better. Tonight's weather news was that the Serra Nevada mountains were receiving several feet of snow today, with more to come, and unlike last year the temperature is very cold meaning that the snow will stick around and not quickly runoff as it did last year.
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Re: It's December!
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2022, 07:53:12 AM »

Last week I saw a chart on the local TV news that showed the entire Central Valley designated as an area of "Exceptional Drought", while most of the rest of the State was in an "Extreme Drought". After this weekend's rain, hopefully things will be a little better. Tonight's weather news was that the Serra Nevada mountains were receiving several feet of snow today, with more to come, and unlike last year the temperature is very cold meaning that the snow will stick around and not quickly runoff as it did last year.
It has been raining here all day.


BTW, I find it interesting that nobody (not even a single vote) believes Energica's delviery dates. I wonder why . . . .


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Re: It's December!
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2022, 12:04:25 PM »

Well the whole supply chain shortage thing is putting all industries to a new level of challenge. In Tier-1 suppliers for Automotive, lots of management meetings is about the best moment to disclose a new shortage to the OEM. Sometimes this customer feedback is being done too late. I bet the same is valid for all Tier-n‘s. No wonder that even major OEMs struggle to control the production or get the full picture. In 2020 (Covid) and 2021 (chip-shortage), many suppliers have compensated shortages by allowing premium freights and now have issues reclaiming costs with the OEMs. This year 2022, rising energy cost and raw mat prices again add to the complexity. Very little is fixed, many contracts are in re-negotiation with delays depending on the outcome.
I haven’t seen specific delivery week commitments communicated by any OEM since the last two years. Some OEMs master communication better, others worse, many are still not prepared and fall silent. I think that a statement like „dear customer, we simply don‘t know“ (Don you mentioned s.th. similar some time ago) would be a professional way of dealing with it. But I can‘t really blame anyone who doesn‘t…
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Re: It's December!
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2022, 12:37:05 PM »

Well the whole supply chain shortage thing is putting all industries to a new level of challenge. In Tier-1 suppliers for Automotive, lots of management meetings is about the best moment to disclose a new shortage to the OEM. Sometimes this customer feedback is being done too late. I bet the same is valid for all Tier-n‘s. No wonder that even major OEMs struggle to control the production or get the full picture. In 2020 (Covid) and 2021 (chip-shortage), many suppliers have compensated shortages by allowing premium freights and now have issues reclaiming costs with the OEMs. This year 2022, rising energy cost and raw mat prices again add to the complexity. Very little is fixed, many contracts are in re-negotiation with delays depending on the outcome.
I haven’t seen specific delivery week commitments communicated by any OEM since the last two years. Some OEMs master communication better, others worse, many are still not prepared and fall silent. I think that a statement like „dear customer, we simply don‘t know“ (Don you mentioned s.th. similar some time ago) would be a professional way of dealing with it. But I can‘t really blame anyone who doesn‘t…
I kinda assumed they already had most of them built when they let us order back in June.


If not, it's kinda too close to being just vaporware. Should we even be able to order stuff that doesn't even yet exist?


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Re: It's December!
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2022, 01:17:21 PM »

I might be wrong, but I believe that drought is over, and another one started about a month later.  (That article was from 2019!)
I can't believe I forgot to look at the date!


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Re: It's December!
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2022, 07:48:10 PM »

I read in my newspaper the other day that the cost of shipping containers had dropped from a high of $40K USD each to now only $2K each. And the shipping ports on the west coast are all caught up and would like more business. I guess that means that the predicted economy downturn due to inflation and other factors is starting to take effect. Unfortunately, we still seem to be suffering the effects of supply shortages of certain critical components, like chips, apparently due to the lingering impacts of the Covid factory shutdowns and perhaps from the war in Ukraine.  :(
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Re: It's December!
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2022, 11:40:50 PM »

I read in my newspaper the other day that the cost of shipping containers had dropped from a high of $40 USD each to now only $2K each.
High of $40.00 to a low of $2,000.00????


BTW, the snow is so deep here I cannot even get out of my driveway.



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Re: It's December!
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2022, 03:17:17 AM »

I read in my newspaper the other day that the cost of shipping containers had dropped from a high of $40 USD each to now only $2K each.
High of $40.00 to a low of $2,000.00????


BTW, the snow is so deep here I cannot even get out of my driveway.



-Don- Reno, NV

Oops. I left out the "K". It should have been $40,000 to rent a shipping container when they were in very short supply and were most expensive. I fixed my post. Sorry about that.
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Re: It's December!
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2022, 10:13:28 AM »

BTW, the snow is so deep here I cannot even get out of my driveway.



-Don- Reno, NV


At least it's not snowing at A & S Motorcycles... I was there last week to test ride an Esse Esse 9.
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Re: It's December!
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2022, 10:32:30 AM »

I saw this online from a few days ago:

https://www.morebikes.co.uk/your-ride/electric-bikes/270051/energicas-big-plans/

From that article, Energica’s sales director Giacomo Leone said this about the Experia: “We launched the bike at Mugello at the end of May. In four months, we’ve had hundreds of orders without even having bikes out there. We will start production and delivery in a few weeks. We feel that this is going to be the biggest sales success for Energica in terms of volume, for the next few years.”

Hopefully that estimate includes shipments to the US.
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Re: It's December!
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2022, 10:44:05 AM »

At least it's not snowing at A & S Motorcycles... I was there last week to test ride an Esse Esse 9.
What did you think of it?  I love mine, it's my favorite bike to ride for most of my rides and it's a SS9-.


If the charge stations would work here in NV, the range of even the SS9- would be enough.


Because of broken charge stations, I cannot go as far in NV as I could last year. Places such as Hawthorne, NV and Fallon, NV CCS charge stations and others have been broken for around a year.




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Re: It's December!
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2022, 12:31:58 PM »

I ordered my Esseesse9+ RS 8.13.22 and got word that it landed in CA last week so crossing my fingers for you Don!
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Re: It's December!
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2022, 02:13:19 PM »

I ordered my Esseesse9+ RS 8.13.22 and got word that it landed in CA last week so crossing my fingers for you Don!
Thanks, but I am more curious than anything else. I won't be in a big hurry until springtime.  Lots of snow here right now.


But the other bikes, such as your SS9, are not the same issue as the Experia. I think they have plenty of the other models.


I am sure that you will enjoy your new bike.


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Re: It's December!
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2022, 03:24:46 PM »

Just heared that Experia production is finally starting cw50, so this week... so far no end customer bike has been build or shipped, all existing bikes are pre-production. Those pre-prod bikes are mostly spread in Europe, one or more also in US (well we knew that bit already). I was not able to get any details on why we were seeing that delay.

Ribelle, Ego and SS9 orders are mostly down due to the new model - operators and parts are available, this is why recent orders of those are produced directly when an order is coming in. However, shipping seems to be a huge problem. Logistics companies seem to have unusual long durations until they even pick up - also they do LTFTL (less than full truck load). This affects mainly land transport in Europe - no word on if/how sea freight is affected.

Undisclosed source which I trust.
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