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Richard230

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2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« on: November 08, 2022, 09:17:08 PM »

Here is a summary by brand of the new and updated motorcycle models displayed at the 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show this week:  https://www.motorcycle.com/events/eicma-2022-milan-motorcycle-show-coverage. I see that a number of other brands, such as Zero, LiveWire One and Energica, are not mentioned in the article. Perhaps they didn't provide Motorcycle.com a press release package for their new models?   ???


Nothing too exciting in this list of new models, other than Kawasaki's "zero emission" concepts and prototypes:  https://www.motorcycle.com/new-model-preview/kawasaki-reveals-electric-hybrid-and-hydrogen-powered-prototypes.html
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2022, 09:42:47 PM »

Not surprising motorcycle.com doesn't have much about electric motorcycles.  More EICMA information here though:
https://thepack.news/news/
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2022, 03:41:40 AM »

Meanwhile Honda enters the city e-scooter market: https://www.motorcycle.com/new-model-preview/2023-honda-em1-e-electric-scooter-first-look.html

And so does MV. (I wasn't expecting that from a company like MV.  ???  ):  https://www.motorcycle.com/new-model-preview/2023-mv-agusta-ampelio-first-look.html
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2022, 08:22:30 PM »

There is more news regarding Kawasaki's "carbon neutral" motorcycle plans. Apparently in 2023 they will market a small urban/suburban electric motorcycle (as compared with Honda's scooter) and in 2024 they plan to introduce what looks to be a highway-capable ICE/electric hybrid. However, during the next few years they also plan to market 30 new ICE models, with about half meeting EU requirements. Here is the story:  https://thepack.news/kawasaki-reveals-carbon-neutrality-plans-at-eicma-go-with-green-power/
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2022, 03:39:08 AM »

A hybrid would be interesting. It’s the number two question I get asked after “What’s the range?”
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2022, 03:27:23 PM »

A hybrid would be interesting. It’s the number two question I get asked after “What’s the range?”
Interesting indeed. I recall reading an explanation a few years back of why a PHEV motorcycle wouldn't make sense -- basically, it would take too much space and weight to have both driverains. Maybe a serial hybrid?
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2022, 08:11:18 PM »

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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2022, 08:42:20 PM »

Hit with an ugly stick:  https://thepack.news/davinci-motor-dc100-presented-at-eicma/

It actually reminds me of Mission Motorcycle's bike. I think it was called Mission One? Not pretty, but it's interesting-looking.
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2022, 08:42:38 PM »

Hit with an ugly stick:  https://thepack.news/davinci-motor-dc100-presented-at-eicma/
Not just hit with it, completely battered    ;D
Note 400km range on a 135kW motor,  sub-3sec 0-100 acceleration, 200 km/h top speed.  Clearly they're trying to one-up Damon.  :)
And they've been working on this for 7 years...
Yeah, right.

Seriously: Clearly a designer who's never ridden and a company which doesn't give a flying f@#$ about performance.
No such thing as a real high-performance street motorcycle without a fairing.
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2022, 11:56:10 PM »

Interesting indeed. I recall reading an explanation a few years back of why a PHEV motorcycle wouldn't make sense -- basically, it would take too much space and weight to have both driverains. Maybe a serial hybrid?
That's what I always imagined. No transmission, just a generator working at the optimal RPM feeding the electric drivetrain. Maybe an ~8 kWh battery for shorter trips before the motor kicks on.
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2022, 04:48:53 AM »

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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2022, 07:44:05 PM »

Seing Aprilla with an electric motorcycle even if the prototype is near the bottom of what would be normal in this country it is noteworthy.  I could find parts sheets for aprilla at AF1 website.  They (aprilla) would seem to be in the second tier of brands, the ones not on bike bandit and rocky mountain but elsewhere. 

Anyone have an idea how parts pricing on or at Aprilla is?  I once went to a motorcycle event where there was a guy dressed in riding gear with an Aprilla logo and he seemed to be engaged in a bragging contest about how much parts cost.  I guess it is new owners since then.
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2022, 07:57:55 PM »

There's no specs on the Aprillia or even a mention on whether they actually intend to bring it to market. It's just another concept, perhaps not even rideable, and pretty much meaningless.
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Re: 2022 EICMA Milan Motorcycle show
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2022, 09:54:54 PM »

Seing Aprilla with an electric motorcycle even if the prototype is near the bottom of what would be normal in this country it is noteworthy.  I could find parts sheets for aprilla at AF1 website.  They (aprilla) would seem to be in the second tier of brands, the ones not on bike bandit and rocky mountain but elsewhere. 

Anyone have an idea how parts pricing on or at Aprilla is?  I once went to a motorcycle event where there was a guy dressed in riding gear with an Aprilla logo and he seemed to be engaged in a bragging contest about how much parts cost.  I guess it is new owners since then.
No idea what their pricing in the US is, but generally, Aprilia used to be a 2nd-tier brand who gradually migrated their bikes and prices to extra-expensive. They were bought by Piaggio in 2004, although AFAIK their R&D is mostly independent. They've made some very interesting designs in the past, like the Moto 6.5, the Pegaso and the automatic-transmission  Mana 850.
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