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[Fred]

It looks like this is getting very close to production. Here's a review of the Verge TS (in Finnish but you can turn on subtitles). I think this is definitely the most interesting bike around, and unlike some others it looks like it will make it to production.

[Richard230]

135 HP; 1000 Nm; 350 Km range; 35 minute fast charging; 4.5 hours to charge via AC; and a 20 kWh battery - "the biggest on the market".  You don't say? Kind of reminds me of my 1969 Garelli 125 that claimed 15.3 HP so that it was legal to ride on the freeway in California (at that time). The claimed power seemed a little suspect to me as I would constantly get blown off by Honda S90s, which also would go faster than the Garelli's top speed of 60 mph.     I am looking forward to seeing a more independent review of the Verge TS and one that mentions the price of the bike and its weight.

[MVetter]

Those phase leads are soooooooooooooooo fucked

[Fred]

Those phase leads are soooooooooooooooo fucked

They do look cool though. 

[Fred]

I am looking forward to seeing a more independent review of the Verge TS and one that mentions the price of the bike and its weight.

Me too. I wasn't convinced by the low speed handling of the prototype I rode, so until I can properly test ride a production bike I'll reserve judgement. (Then again I had similar feelings about the Eva Ribelle's handling and plenty of people like them.)

Price of €24990 is on their website. A bit expensive - but it's a unique design from a small company and it's not vapourware. I can see how they can justify charging that price, but not sure I can justify paying it!

[Richard230]

One other comment that got my attention was when it was said that the Verge TS would be great for urban usage.  That lead me to guess that a lot of high-speed highway travel might result in some issues, perhaps with the rear wheel/drive technology.     I am also looking at that rear wheel and wondering what it would be like to change the rear tire.

[Moto7575]

+ : speed, look, design
 - : price, name in some countries : "hey do want to ride on my verge ?" https://dictionnaire.reverso.net/francais-anglais/verge

It looks like this is getting very close to production. Here's a review of the Verge TS (in Finnish but you can turn on subtitles). I think this is definitely the most interesting bike around, and unlike some others it looks like it will make it to production.

[DonTom]

  I am also looking at that rear wheel and wondering what it would be like to change the rear tire.

I wonder if any of the cycle shops around here could deal with that.  I really like the idea of no belt, no chain, not even a drive shaft, the only thing I am concerned with is who can change the tire using what?


I hope that design proves reliable and gets common enough for at least the cycle shops to know how to deal with it.


I no longer take my tires of my rims. Not as easy as it was back in the 1970's. I cannot even get the tire off my 1971 BMW. The difference is how the tires are made these days making it extremely difficult (if not impossible) to remove tires with tire irons as I used to.


What gets me is these days it is easier to remove a truck / large RV tire with hand tools than a motorcycle tire. I carry a spare tire in my new RV with no rim. Because road services do it all the time, using hand tools.

I wonder if this trick will work on a motorcycle tire:




-Don-  Reno, NV

[MrMogensen]

How does Energica get 2,6 seconds from 0-100 with 200 Nm while Verge spends a second longer with 5x the torque?
What am I missing?

[DonTom]

How does Energica get 2,6 seconds from 0-100 with 200 Nm while Verge spends a second longer with 5x the torque?
What am I missing?

Torque is different from HP.  HP is how fast it can move in a certain time. Torque is more like leverage. Has nothing to do with speed or time.

See here.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[JaimeC]

Horsepower is how fast you hit the side of the building.  Torque is how far you push it off its foundation...

[DonTom]

Horsepower is how fast you hit the side of the building.  Torque is how far you push it off its foundation...

That was a great explanation! I really like that one!


-Don-  Reno, NV

[MrMogensen]

Very good explanation!!
But torque still has a very high impact on acceleration…
Perhaps Verge is simply within a limit on how fast it can be - even though motor has 5x torque.

[DonTom]

I mainly think of torque as needing less gears to shift. Electrics have so much torque, no gears needed.


My Harley has six gears. IMO, that is because so many believe "the more the better" so that is good for sales.


But I wish they would remove a couple of gears from my Harley. It could get by easily with only 3 gears, but four would be fine with me. Six is way too many, IMO, for such a bike.


My 750cc BMW only has four gears and that is just perfect, IMO. If it only needs four gears, then my Harley only needs three. Keep the lowest and the highest gear the same, but put the middle gear in the middle.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[flynnstig82r]

How does Energica get 2,6 seconds from 0-100 with 200 Nm while Verge spends a second longer with 5x the torque?
What am I missing?

They both have about 1,000 Nm of torque at the rear wheel. The Energica’s 200 Nm is measured at the crank before going through the gearbox and final drive, whereas the Verge’s hub motor is already located at the rear wheel.