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Sebastian C

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AC Charing issue
« on: August 23, 2022, 12:47:18 AM »

Last December I got a new AC charger after I can’t charge at home anymore.
Since I have the new build in AC Charger I have a other problem by Charing at home.
My energica Eva ribelle start to charge as I limit in the settings but after some seconds it reduce the Charing power to 0. When I disconnect and reconnect it start to charge 2 or 3% and stops again. The von of the ac charger runs all the time.
I made a video to show you the problem:



Some body knew the problem?
What could be the rison?
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wadejesu

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Re: AC Charing issue
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2022, 01:31:37 AM »

How long did you leave it connected? it might be equalizing battery cells first.   
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jotjotde

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Re: AC Charing issue
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2022, 11:38:17 AM »

The 'flickering' SOC % after connecting is normal. The same happens with my Ribelle as well.

Did you try another charger? What is happening if you connect to a public CCS for instance?
If the bike refuses to charge there, it's most probably a fault of the bike's soft- or hardware.
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Sebastian C

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Re: AC Charing issue
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2022, 01:22:48 AM »

Ccs Charing is working perfect.
AC Charing: after 15 - 20 min the bike switch of.
No Charing all the time up to the moment he switch off.
Sometimes it charge 2% and stops than.
When I plug in again sometimes it charge some not.
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Re: AC Charing issue
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2022, 11:01:02 AM »

Ccs Charing is working perfect. AC Charing: after 15 - 20 min the bike switch of.
No Charing all the time up to the moment he switch off. Sometimes it charge 2% and stops than.
When I plug in again sometimes it charge some not.
Almost sounds like your AC charger in the bike is crapping out under load. But have you tried another AC source such as J-1772? And also:

I use a Tesla Wall Connector and a Tesla-Tap. I have also had no AC charge issues, but in my case, it was probably NOT the bike. But it could have been, read on.

Just today, my AC charging on my 2020 Esse Esse 9 stopped after three minutes of normal AC charging.  It did this three times in a row. I disconnected the Tesla-Tap from the bike three times, and reinstalled, no difference. I was at 55% SOC, 0KW charging after less than three minutes, bike's ac charger fan still running, but bike not charging.

Then I turned off the Tesla Wall Connector and turned it back on and then all was fine. I didn't change anything on the bike.  I think something could have been causing my Tesla Wall Connector to slip out of the J-1772 mode every few minutes until I reset all the charging stuff.

Or could it have been the bike? I then just came back from a ride in very hot weather. That made me wonder if the bike's charger has some type of high temp protection shutting off the charger, but not the fan, until it cools down a bit. I probably should not have tried to charge right when getting home on such a hot day.

Bottom line is that I am not sure of the cause, but it is probably one of the above.

By any chance is it very hot where you're located when you have this AC charge problem?


-Don- Reno, NV
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Sebastian C

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Re: AC Charing issue
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2022, 12:05:23 PM »

Hallo,
I tryed it at anny weater conditions. That was my idear too!
Also i tryed ist at different AC Chargers but always the same problem SOC, 0KW charging.
In the night I let it ''charge'' (SOC, 0KW charging) the Battery getting warm and after 45 min. the Ribbelle switch of. SOC, 0KW at 70% (start ''charing'' at 69%) charging!
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Re: AC Charing issue
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2022, 09:20:38 AM »

Hallo,
I tryed it at anny weater conditions. That was my idear too!
Also i tryed ist at different AC Chargers but always the same problem SOC, 0KW charging.
In the night I let it ''charge'' (SOC, 0KW charging) the Battery getting warm and after 45 min. the Ribbelle switch of. SOC, 0KW at 70% (start ''charing'' at 69%) charging!
I don't see how the battery can be getting warm if it isn't charging. Could it be a false indication, but charging normally on AC?

One way to check for that would be to  see if a CCS charger shows a big difference after a long "zero" AC charge.

-Don-  Auburn, CA


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Re: AC Charing issue
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2022, 05:30:28 PM »

It would surprise me a bit if the battery got warm from charging @3kW as well. The battery has quite some mass, and to get it to warm up on the outside to be noticeable means pumping in a lot of energy which the onboard simply cannot do...
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Sebastian C

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Re: AC Charing issue
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2022, 09:16:46 PM »

I checked this Batterie load is the same on CCS charger and informations in the dashboard of the bike. But yes battery getting warm. I guess it is balancing.
Today I try to charge too 100% At CCS charger it comes too 99% and now it is balancing with 0A since 10min.
Somebody tried it too? Charing too 100 with CCS charger?
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Re: AC Charing issue
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2022, 05:25:14 PM »

I'm really curious: Did that CCS charging to 100 % maybe work somehow and did balancing on a CCS really happen?
(I understood the manual that this is done only when the bike is on AC.)

Another thing you could try when  charging AC at home is to limit the current (Ampere): Keep the bike switched on, connect the charger, wait until the charging menu appears, then toggle the Amps with lefthand switch.
My thinking is, that due to some twisted reason maybe your home grid refuses to charge the bike because of the additional load. I know it's a very slight chance that this is the reason. But trying cannot hurt, right?
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