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tunafish_phd

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Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« on: July 11, 2022, 11:23:31 PM »

Hey all. Got my '23 Ribelle 2 weeks ago.. Seems like in the mornings after its been charging, the bike has problems picking up my key... But only the first time I start it up in the morning. Anyone have similar issues? I've already replaced the battery in the fob and I'm usually sitting on the bike with the fob in my breast pocket when starting up.

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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2022, 12:35:11 AM »

Hey all. Got my '23 Ribelle 2 weeks ago.. Seems like in the mornings after its been charging, the bike has problems picking up my key... But only the first time I start it up in the morning. Anyone have similar issues? I've already replaced the battery in the fob and I'm usually sitting on the bike with the fob in my breast pocket when starting up.

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Only at that location? Could it be some type of radio interference? Since the Energica is made in Europe, the FOB frequency is probably 433.92 mhz. In the USA, they use 315 MHZ. What's in your garage? Cordless telephone?  Wireless router? It can even be on a different frequency because of harmonics and subharmonics and other types of spurious RF radiations. But that would be  a place to start.


-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2022, 12:38:13 AM »

Happens once in the morning in my garage. Only interference sources would be my phone or potentially the garage door opener? But again.. once I get past the first startup in the morning, no matter where I am it seems to be fine. Just a weird quirk I suppose.
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2022, 12:47:47 AM »

Hey Tuna, How long did it take to get the 2023 Ribelle?
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2022, 05:07:06 AM »

Happens once in the morning in my garage. Only interference sources would be my phone or potentially the garage door opener? But again.. once I get past the first startup in the morning, no matter where I am it seems to be fine. Just a weird quirk I suppose.
Garage door openers often also operate at 315 Mhz, but that is the USA FOB frequency, not Europe.


Could it be right after you open the garage door or something like that?


The real test would be to have your bike at a different location in the morning.


And could it be temperature related? Extra cold mornings there?


-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2022, 05:18:42 AM »

Hey Tuna, How long did it take to get the 2023 Ribelle?

Ordered at end of March. In Oakland in April. Released from customs in June, received on the 2nd of July.


Happens once in the morning in my garage. Only interference sources would be my phone or potentially the garage door opener? But again.. once I get past the first startup in the morning, no matter where I am it seems to be fine. Just a weird quirk I suppose.
Garage door openers often also operate at 315 Mhz, but that is the USA FOB frequency, not Europe.


Could it be right after you open the garage door or something like that?


The real test would be to have your bike at a different location in the morning.


And could it be temperature related? Extra cold mornings there?


-Don-  Auburn, CA

Could be right after I open the garage door. Tomorrow morning I'll let it sit for a while before trying to boot up and report back
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2022, 03:49:08 PM »

My MY23 Ribelle almost never goes first try, but always goes on the second try. Got used to it :P
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2022, 09:10:52 PM »

My MY23 Ribelle almost never goes first try, but always goes on the second try. Got used to it :P

This feels exactly like what my bike does.. Almost like it doesn't boot the keyless system in time the first go after sitting for a while. Maybe its going to sleep or something?
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2022, 09:22:35 PM »

I was told first start of the day hit the button one time wait for the red light to flash three times and then hit the button again the rest of the day it usually goes on the first push sometimes not
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2022, 09:30:05 PM »

I always look for the red light flashing three times I know if I see that I’m going to have to push the button again
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2022, 11:32:33 PM »

Tried doing the tap/wait for 3 flashes/hold thing this morning.. Same issue.

Also had a "key not detected" issue parked in the walgreens parking lot this morning as well. Maybe its just me?
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2022, 11:47:46 PM »

Most bikes have receiver/antenna under seat, not sure about Energica, Where ever it is, place FOB closer.
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2022, 11:48:58 PM »

Front left faring. Will try to put key on the receiver later.
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2022, 12:36:30 AM »

If the FOB doesn't work at all, is there still a way to use the bike?


Such as with my Harley. If FOB doesn't work, enter in a six digit pin number.


If my Experia (on order) doesn't have a backup procedure for a lost or broken FOB, then I will NOT want the FOB.


-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: Keyless "Key not found" in mornings
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2022, 01:06:21 AM »

If the FOB doesn't work at all, is there still a way to use the bike?


Such as with my Harley. If FOB doesn't work, enter in a six digit pin number.


If my Experia (on order) doesn't have a backup procedure for a lost or broken FOB, then I will NOT want the FOB.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

Yes. I can use a pin to still use the bike.. Just kind of defeats the purpose of having a fancy keyless system.
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