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SandyGnomes

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Re: Cypher store
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2022, 07:41:20 PM »

Having said all that, I only charge my bike at 6A/1.3kW at home.
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flynnstig82r

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Re: Cypher store
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2022, 11:11:08 PM »

3 kW AC charging on Energicas is a limitation you mostly only hear about from people who don't own one. Once I got my SS9, I quickly realized that I was never going to publicly charge at 3 kW longer than the ~10 mins it would take to add enough range to get to the next DC station. If a lunch stop didn't add quite enough range as I would like, I could make up the difference in 2 mins at the next DCFC stop. While 6 kW AC charging would be a nice bonus, there is a long list of things I would rather they add first, like liquid cooling of the battery pack.
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Re: Cypher store
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2022, 11:31:00 PM »

If the batteries can spit out 80kW why can't they take more?

Because charging and discharging are two VERY different beasts. Zero's Farasis cells are rated for a 10C discharge and warrantied for a 1C charge rate.
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Re: Cypher store
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2022, 09:58:58 PM »

The chargers on my SR/S premium are connected with 3kW on different phases so even with the 10% upgrade I will only get 3.3kW on a 7kW chargepoint.

Pardon my ignorance, are there certain Level 2 chargers that allow the full 6kw or how does a premium owner actually use both 3kw chargers?
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Re: Cypher store
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2022, 10:20:48 PM »

Pardon my ignorance, are there certain Level 2 chargers that allow the full 6kw or how does a premium owner actually use both 3kw chargers?

Most level 2 EVSEs offer up to 6.6kW output. The chargers, which are on the bike, use about 6kW of that to fill the battery. What Sandy is describing is a difference in EU because they have 3 phase power so Zero splits the load on EU bikes. Which is the right way to do things. But it makes a single phase station act crappy.

Here in the US we only have crappy single phase, so Zero wires everything that way to deal with it.
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SandyGnomes

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Re: Cypher store
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2022, 01:12:12 AM »

Generally, in the UK, chargers labelled 11kW or 22kW  are 3 phase and will give you 6kW charge on an SR/S premium.  Those labelled 7.4kW are single phase and will give you 3kW. You also need a 3 phase cable to get over 3kW on any charge point.
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Re: Cypher store
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2022, 01:31:06 PM »

Well, it has been a while since Zero annnonced their Cypher store in order to be able to upgrade some features for the compatible bikes. [...]
Do some you have heard of any news about when it is coming? [...]

Yesterday I heard from a reliable source that it may take until autumn to have the additional features ready and the store opened. The software is not ready. The origin of this information is Zero Europe.

Given the dashboard "upgrade", I have few hopes that it will work. The software is as bad as the SR/F is good: Very.

Regards John 
« Last Edit: May 23, 2022, 01:52:09 PM by John66 »
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Re: Cypher store
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2022, 01:24:36 AM »

Pardon my ignorance, are there certain Level 2 chargers that allow the full 6kw or how does a premium owner actually use both 3kw chargers?

Most level 2 EVSEs offer up to 6.6kW output. The chargers, which are on the bike, use about 6kW of that to fill the battery. What Sandy is describing is a difference in EU because they have 3 phase power so Zero splits the load on EU bikes. Which is the right way to do things. But it makes a single phase station act crappy.

Here in the US we only have crappy single phase, so Zero wires everything that way to deal with it.

Got it, thanks!
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