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Author Topic: Range => RS vs. non RS  (Read 1567 times)

MrMogensen

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Range => RS vs. non RS
« on: April 28, 2022, 03:15:22 PM »

Let's imagine 2 Ribelles (1 RS and 1 non-RS) they ride the same route with mixed highway, biways and city driving... Same medium pace without full power.

Will there be any noticeable difference at all in the range?

I do understand the concept that full power on an RS version requires more power than non RS => Just like Tesla Model 3 Long Range vs. Performance (being same motors and all).
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2022, 03:19:29 PM »

Simple napkin-physics suggest getting an object from A to B at X speed with Y drag will result in the same amount of energy used, so the RS and non-RS versions should use the same amount of energy. My Model3 LR uses roughly the same amount of energy as my loaner M3P used.
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2022, 03:34:31 PM »

Yes that is what I thought.

I remember reading that RS software is tweaked for more performance and chain is stronger. I guess sprockets are still same?
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2022, 08:46:03 PM »

Same chain. There's a 1-tooth difference in the front sprocket between the RS and non-RS models.
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2022, 12:31:08 AM »

The motor is running at higher RPM at a given speed so it accelerates faster but can't go as fast (it can still hit the limiter and IIRC even the Ego RS can hit its higher limit).

In theory it has to work harder to maintain speed but I think that only matters at higher speeds and on that basis I went for the RS package over standard even though I mainly tour. I get roughly 115 miles on a full battery riding to a 65 (indicated) cruising speed (style and conditions obviously have an effect) and I'm satisfied that squares up reasonably with the promoted 123 mile figure.
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2022, 01:46:16 AM »

At sustained highway speed no different due to the non-linear effect of aero drag being the dominant load component - power delivery SB same.  At city stop-n-go the RS is expected to perform better because it has slight gearing advantage to break standing inertia and more efficient at regen due to slightly higher rotor speed - it's a cumulative thing.  Matters little IMO.
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2022, 04:47:28 AM »

So if the motor on the RS spins faster for a given speed compared to the non-RS then it would seem the RS version's speedometer would be even less accurate than the non-RS and have a lower top speed.
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2022, 05:01:17 AM »

So if the motor on the RS spins faster for a given speed compared to the non-RS then it would seem the RS version's speedometer would be even less accurate than the non-RS and have a lower top speed.

I'm pretty sure it's not measured from the motor, that would be strange
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2022, 07:18:59 AM »

I'm pretty sure it's not measured from the motor, that would be strange
Hmmmm, really?

Wiring diagram shows quadrature feedback from motor.

The Bosch anti-lock system is not the speedo source if the early generation bikes are factored - the speedo error is the same.

The RS feature buys you a sticker and VCU code modification to retain consistent speedo error and retain consistent speed limiter.
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2022, 10:55:37 AM »


I'm pretty sure it's not measured from the motor, that would be strange

Of course it is.
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2022, 01:44:44 PM »

Always thought that is an entirely daft engineering decision when there are two ABS monitors to take data from instead which are unaffected by gearing.

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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2022, 04:55:43 PM »

If I read and understand you just didn't have a discount and the dealer just goes to the checkout again for that discount that he puts in his own pocket.
I would never agreed with this kind of bs.
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2022, 08:59:35 PM »

If I read and understand you just didn't have a discount and the dealer just goes to the checkout again for that discount that he puts in his own pocket.
I would never agreed with this kind of bs.

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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2022, 12:47:12 AM »

Ah, he's mixing up threads here ;)
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Re: Range => RS vs. non RS
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2022, 09:48:48 PM »

You should ask Sam, he has a Ribelle and a Ribelle RS now so can perfectly compare.
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