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Author Topic: 2021 SR/S 0-60 0-100 4.3s something wrong?  (Read 1821 times)

princec

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Re: 2021 SR/S 0-60 0-100 4.3s something wrong?
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2022, 06:48:38 AM »

No, there's no "beast" mode, that was just a custom riding mode with everything set to 100%.
Hans Capelle did actually find a software hack to unleash more power than Zero want to give us presumably because it will blow up after a while. But they DCMA'd him or something over it.

@ZeroJan - just get your bike on a dyno and let's see the chart.

Cas :)
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Re: 2021 SR/S 0-60 0-100 4.3s something wrong?
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2022, 02:38:00 PM »

This is totally not helping my issue though.
Other people get low 3 second runs filming the dash. My bike is a full second slower, using the same method. I don't want crazy accurate 0-100km/h times, I want my bike to be a second faster than it is, because other peoples bikes are. The timing method is totally irrelevant.
Helpful input from other SR/S and SR/F owners would be:
-0-120km/h runs with full throttle in sport or max mode + ride capture (what is the max torque and power output?)
-0-100km/h times, rider weight, outside temp

Again, this is not a problem of measuring the runs. I would like to have comparable data from other owners. If everyone achieves 3.7s and lower, then I can be pretty sure that there is an actual fault with my bike.

You should definitely use a proper method, to time your 0-60 run.
Unbelievable, you’re trying to use the spedo : /

That said, I felt like my 21 SR/S got slower with FW 20 & 21.
My guess is that the scaling is off (reducing Top Speed & Power & Torque).
On FW 19 my bike felt quick in “Street” now it feels slow in “Sport”.
I stopped using “Custom”, because I don’t trust the values to be accurate (since FW 20).
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Re: 2021 SR/S 0-60 0-100 4.3s something wrong?
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2022, 01:13:06 PM »

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Re: 2021 SR/S 0-60 0-100 4.3s something wrong?
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2022, 06:36:29 AM »

I'm sure Zero does the same for the SRS/F they did for the lower models of previous years, so I'll add this. The BMS can greatly restrict the amount of current the motor controller is allowed to pull from the battery. I don't know what algorithm it uses. I'm sure they have plenty of "good" reasons for whatever they do -- ambient and battery temperature, state of charge, etc. The point is, I've logged full throttle pulls with the Sevcon's battery discharge current limit turned off. The log still shows the limit the BMS is trying to apply.

The bluish line is the actual battery current. That shaded greyish region that drops rapidly when the blue line spikes is the peak current the BMS is trying to tell the motor controller it can pull. This was at just over 50% charge and about 50F ambient. And the battery in the 2021 SR is basically the same battery used in the later SR,S & F models.

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Re: 2021 SR/S 0-60 0-100 4.3s something wrong?
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2022, 05:00:35 PM »

From my understanding they dropped stating 0-60 times because they are heavily influenced by the drivers weight. So, that is a factor to consider too.
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Re: 2021 SR/S 0-60 0-100 4.3s something wrong?
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2022, 06:16:40 PM »

The point is, I've logged full throttle pulls with the Sevcon's battery discharge current limit turned off. The log still shows the limit the BMS is trying to apply.



I had thought the battery limit was based on voltage sag - presumably it then calculates what amount of current draw is acceptable.

In cold conditions, my '14 SR sometimes hits some kind of battery limit under WOT conditions and the controller seems to cut power almost completely.

How easy is it to disable the Sevcon battery limit? I don't care about battery life now and would rather punish as many electrons from it as possible. I assume the Sevcon DVT software and a supervisor level password?
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Re: 2021 SR/S 0-60 0-100 4.3s something wrong?
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2022, 07:21:47 AM »

The point is, I've logged full throttle pulls with the Sevcon's battery discharge current limit turned off. The log still shows the limit the BMS is trying to apply.



I had thought the battery limit was based on voltage sag - presumably it then calculates what amount of current draw is acceptable.

In cold conditions, my '14 SR sometimes hits some kind of battery limit under WOT conditions and the controller seems to cut power almost completely.

How easy is it to disable the Sevcon battery limit? I don't care about battery life now and would rather punish as many electrons from it as possible. I assume the Sevcon DVT software and a supervisor level password?

I'm sure your correct in that some aspect of the limitation the BMS imparts on the motor controller is based on protecting the weakest cells in the battery. That said, my cell balance has always been under 10mV, and I have seen the BMS pulling current when the voltage sag was still north of 90 volts at full throttle. Unfortunately, I can't see the cell balance whilst at full throttle, but I'll probably add a sniffer for that at some point as well.

In answer to your question, it is a simple matter to turn off the BMS' control of the battery discharge current. You will need the DVT software and IXXAT cable. The login passwords are built into it though; you don't have to worry about it. The following is according to a 2021 bike. I'm sure other years are similar if not nearly identical.

There are several ways to do it depending on what you want to do. By default, 0x2870,1 (battery current limit data source) is already set to 0 (disabled). But to actually disable current limit control, you have to set 0x4623,3 (cutback range) to 0. The controller will then pull every amp it can get its hands on based on the available current, motor map, MOSFET limitation, and your right wrist. If you'd like to maintain some cutbacks, you can set 0x2870,1 to 1 (use max currents only) and adjust the thresholds and cutbacks to your preferences. If you do that latter, you only have to update the max discharge current under 0x2870,2. You'll find another one at 0x4623,2, but with the battery current limit data source set to use max currents, the latter value is overwritten by 0x2870,2. You should also replace the first variable of RPDO1 with a dummy 16-bit value.

It's a similar operation to override the BMS control of regen current. In that case, you replace the second variable of RPDO1 with a dummy 16-bit value.

Keep in mind, the BMS will still protect itself by telling the MBB to shut down the bike and open its contactor if voltages get too far out of wack. If you keep an eye on your cell balances and don't do stupid stuff at the bottom of charge, the likelihood of hurting the battery that wasn't already destined for a short life is probably pretty low. That said, proceed at your own risk.
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Re: 2021 SR/S 0-60 0-100 4.3s something wrong?
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2022, 07:48:04 AM »

I have tested several applications in order to record the 0-100 km/h or the 0-60 mph of my 2016 FXS.
Many of these applications gave me inconsistent and irreproducible results.
But PerfExpert did a good job, and I recommend it.
Zero announced 3.8s for the 0-100 km/h of the 2016 FXS.
My best recording was 5.14 s: https://network.perfexpert-app.com/results/iWvWRmUF5z
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