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[Richard230]

Here is an interesting solid-state battery development, especially for a urban electric scooter. It looks like a really neat concept, if the company can work out the problems with swappable (leased?) consumer battery infrastructure and other issues: https://thepack.news/gogoro-unveils-worlds-first-swappable-solid-state-battery-prototype-for-electric-vehicles/

[wavelet]

Here is an interesting solid-state battery development, especially for a urban electric scooter. It looks like a really neat concept, if the company can work out the problems with swappable (leased?) consumer battery infrastructure and other issues: https://thepack.news/gogoro-unveils-worlds-first-swappable-solid-state-battery-prototype-for-electric-vehicles/

Gogoro already has swapping infrastructure for this in Taiwan -- as of two years ago, they were already doing 200K swaps/day in cities there.

The new development is simply using more capable batteries.
The model works fine for urban electric scooters, with small packs; however, it doesn't really translate for the large packs used for larger motorcycles (100kg or more) capable of decent distances, even if you split that pack into two. You'd need robotic stations to swap, and spread them into the remote backroads where people take motorcycles.

[SHAG]

Yamaha recently dropped an E Scooter with Gogoro's.  I would love to have one with an extra battery.  The swappable  thing will never happen round here. We don't even have a Wendy's or KFC 

https://electrek.co/2022/01/19/yamaha-launches-striking-new-electric-scooter-that-uses-gogoros-swappable-batteries/

[Richard230]

If they left that swappable infrastructure unattended in most cities in the U.S. it wouldn't take long before someone destroyed it, stole all of the batteries and then tried to sell them on eBay. Maintaining the battery swapping stations 24/7 would be a major cost unless it could be located in an existing  secured facility that was staffed all of the time like a 7/11 or gas station convenience store. 

[princec]

Agreed, it only works over there because of a perfect syzygy of cultural norms, usage patterns, distances, etc. - mostly everywhere else in the world AC charging at home and DCFC on the motorway is the future.

Cas

[flynnstig82r]

If they left that swappable infrastructure unattended in most cities in the U.S. it wouldn't take long before someone destroyed it, stole all of the batteries and then tried to sell them on eBay. Maintaining the battery swapping stations 24/7 would be a major cost unless it could be located in an existing  secured facility that was staffed all of the time like a 7/11 or gas station convenience store. 

That's exactly where the battery swap stations have been located in Taiwan: gas stations.

The idea is workable as long as you have density and can get past the chicken-egg problem of station-availability leading to scooter sales leading to demand for stations. Before it folded, Scoot was in talks with Gogoro to replace its Genze 2.0 fleet with Gogoro scooters and maintain + operate the stations in San Francisco for both our own swaps and private Gogoro and Yamaha electric scooters using our roving field technicians that had to go all over the city every day to maintain our scooters and garages. It would have been a great idea that could dramatically lower the cost of running a shared electric moped service.