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[AlexDeor]

Last year we released a new update of this model, which made a lot of changes.

https://thepack.news/ukrainian-rd-center-emgo-technology-launches-serial-scramper-electric-motorcycle-for-export

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LINK TO THE CAMPAIGN

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/scramper-ukrainian-spirit-of-freedom/x/28412675#/

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You can read the details in the article above, as well as a few details I will tell you here.

I am a representative of EMGO TECHNOLOGY, my name is Alex and I am glad to be among such professionals as you!
We have created a powerful electric motorcycle in which we have implemented many features that are not available for most electric motorcycles in the price category up to 7000 EURO.
Our website: https://emgo.technology/scramper3-en/

Brief characteristics:
1) BLDC motor with a peak power of 16 kW (7200 RPM)
2) Fast onboard charging with support for 110-220VAC, as well as support for car charging stations TYPE 2 (Mennekes) (Full charge in 2-2.5 hours)
3) Powerful 10 kW Li-NCM battery with an innovative patented active air cooling system, thanks to which the battery is able to withstand a constant load of 24 kW for 30 minutes without cell degradation.
4) Maximum speed 127 km/h
5) Power reserve up to 200 km (at a speed of 45 km / h), P.S. let's be honest, we love speed, so we drive around 75-90 km/h, so the real margin will be about 160 km
For those who like to "squeeze all the juice" and drive at maximum speed - you can drive a guaranteed 100 km.


ScrAmper -
Suspension Test and off road test -
Charger and offroad test -









Engine:

The ScrAmper has an integrated power plant. BLDC - engine with a nominal power of 9 kW and a peak power of 16 kW (7200 RPM) and a 4-speed gearbox. The transmission works similarly to gasoline. The ability of the electric motor to reach a peak power of 16 kW and the ability of the battery to provide the engine with such energy and create a dynamic character ScrAmper.


Charger

The charger is integrated into the motorcycle, which provides a fairly high charging speed. And support for the car standard PLUG 2 (CCS 2) makes it possible to charge the motorcycle at car charging stations. At the same time, having only a charging cable with the socket with which the motorcycle is completed, you can charge the motorcycle simply at home from a household network (110 / 220V).


Battery - HD10 POWERPACK

The ScrAmper electric motorcycle battery has a patented innovative cooling system of HD10 Power Pack elements, which is at the same time simple and inexpensive. Thanks to it, having a nominal value of only 10 kW, the battery can operate in Heavy Duty mode, steadily giving 23-25 ??kW of power for 30 minutes. At the same time, the temperature in the middle of the battery will not rise above 38 ° C and will not reach the critical marks for the elements. Thus, the HD10 Power Pack includes not only the ability to super-return the battery, but also increase the battery speed by 2-3 times compared to the current parameters of ScrAmper.
This allows us to use our POWERPACK in other motorcycles with a more powerful engine in the future. Peak short-term battery power without degradation is 40 kW


Already in February, we are sending a motorcycle to Italy for European certification, and at the same time we are launching the Indiegogo crowdfunding platform to collect orders and resources to start production in Ukraine. I will update the information and add a link here to the crowdfunding platform so that if you are interested, you can order it.
To certify a motorcycle for the American market, we need at least 300 orders around the world, so we will really hope for you and your support in social networks and other resources.

Thank you all for your attention, wait for updates, and we will also be glad to hear your opinion about the product.

[TheRan]

Sounds very impressive (the gearbox is a little disappointing, I'm guessing the motor is fairly low torque). How confident that you'll actually be able to deliver the bike at a cost of $6k? That doesn't sound very believable, like a 6kW charger alone is approaching $2k and the battery would probably take up the remaining $4k quite easily. For example a 7.2kW/h Zero with a much lower power charger is double the cost.

[AlexDeor]

Sounds very impressive (the gearbox is a little disappointing, I'm guessing the motor is fairly low torque). How confident that you'll actually be able to deliver the bike at a cost of $6k? That doesn't sound very believable, like a 6kW charger alone is approaching $2k and the battery would probably take up the remaining $4k quite easily. For example a 7.2kW/h Zero with a much lower power charger is double the cost.

Thanks for your feedback. In fact, the price of 6000 USD was indicative, after we moved production to Ukraine, the price changed slightly. In retail, it will cost about 7000 EUR.
Charging power is 3.6 kW, not 6 kW.
In fact, how did we manage to invest in this price (This price is also beneficial for us) - Zero motorcycle uses a lot of expensive plastic molds, as well as expensive components + a lot of resources are spent on marketing, publications and other promotions, and of course the staff who have good salaries. All this affects the price very much.
We tried to make the bike easier, we were at an exhibition in Milan - and gathered crowds of satisfied spectators who liked both the design and the overall picture.

We wanted to create something powerful and good for people who dream but cannot afford something expensive. Everyone should have the right and opportunity to enjoy good things.

Also, if you place an order through Indiegogo, the special cost for each person will be 5500 EUR when ordering 1 unit.

[Fran K]

Is that a clutch lever on top of the motor-gearbox unit?

Peak power is at 7200 rpm.  Where is the point that the torque drops off.  Generally, these motors make torque at close to max until a point where power stays the same as rpm goes up and torque goes down.  What is the motor rpm max and what is the overall gearing like?  It looks like you have a sensible sized front sprocket from the angles of the chain.  I see the transmission ratios would be close ratio for a street bike, probably about the same for a track oriented off road bike.

How about the weight distribution?  Looks to me to be heavy on the front wheel.

What is in that part of the bike closest to the ground. 

Good luch with the launch.  I am kind of concerned with how the knees and ankles contact parts of the bike not going to be pre ordering and encouraging that business model.

[AlexDeor]

Is that a clutch lever on top of the motor-gearbox unit?

Peak power is at 7200 rpm.  Where is the point that the torque drops off.  Generally, these motors make torque at close to max until a point where power stays the same as rpm goes up and torque goes down.  What is the motor rpm max and what is the overall gearing like?  It looks like you have a sensible sized front sprocket from the angles of the chain.  I see the transmission ratios would be close ratio for a street bike, probably about the same for a track oriented off road bike.

How about the weight distribution?  Looks to me to be heavy on the front wheel.

What is in that part of the bike closest to the ground. 

Good luch with the launch.  I am kind of concerned with how the knees and ankles contact parts of the bike not going to be pre ordering and encouraging that business model.

Thank you for your comment.
Yes, 16kW is the peak power (92.4V 175A), the rated power with which it works for a long time is 11kW. The main torque at the start.

The body parts touch the outside of the body and do not touch the moving parts of the motorcycle in any way.

A few videos and tests.

[Starpower]

Looks like a nice package, with good onboard charging options. The price is real impressive and hope it can be delivered and supported at that target.

What is the weight?

[AlexDeor]

Looks like a nice package, with good onboard charging options. The price is real impressive and hope it can be delivered and supported at that target.

What is the weight?

About 175-180kg
With good frame balancing, correct suspension operation

[TheRan]

Sounds very impressive (the gearbox is a little disappointing, I'm guessing the motor is fairly low torque). How confident that you'll actually be able to deliver the bike at a cost of $6k? That doesn't sound very believable, like a 6kW charger alone is approaching $2k and the battery would probably take up the remaining $4k quite easily. For example a 7.2kW/h Zero with a much lower power charger is double the cost.

Thanks for your feedback. In fact, the price of 6000 USD was indicative, after we moved production to Ukraine, the price changed slightly. In retail, it will cost about 7000 EUR.
Charging power is 3.6 kW, not 6 kW.
In fact, how did we manage to invest in this price (This price is also beneficial for us) - Zero motorcycle uses a lot of expensive plastic molds, as well as expensive components + a lot of resources are spent on marketing, publications and other promotions, and of course the staff who have good salaries. All this affects the price very much.
We tried to make the bike easier, we were at an exhibition in Milan - and gathered crowds of satisfied spectators who liked both the design and the overall picture.

We wanted to create something powerful and good for people who dream but cannot afford something expensive. Everyone should have the right and opportunity to enjoy good things.

Also, if you place an order through Indiegogo, the special cost for each person will be 5500 EUR when ordering 1 unit.

For the charger I was going off the 100 minutes to 100% stated on your website, which would require roughly 6kW for a 10kW/h battery. With a 3.6kW charger that's going to be roughly 3 hours (2.7 hours at constant power but of course it will taper off at the end) so not even the 2 hours stated in your original post. Still quite good though and better than what Zero can manage in their base level bikes.

I still feel like €7000 (nearly $8k) is highly optimistic though. While Zero does use some more expensive higher end components (suspension and brakes mainly) your bike doesn't look much cheaper in comparison, you've still got unique body panels and frame and all those metal plates and the motor and battery are still going to have a significant cost. On top of that I'm guessing you don't have the same economy of scale that Zero does. Where is the bike manufactured and assembled?

[AlexDeor]

Sounds very impressive (the gearbox is a little disappointing, I'm guessing the motor is fairly low torque). How confident that you'll actually be able to deliver the bike at a cost of $6k? That doesn't sound very believable, like a 6kW charger alone is approaching $2k and the battery would probably take up the remaining $4k quite easily. For example a 7.2kW/h Zero with a much lower power charger is double the cost.

Thanks for your feedback. In fact, the price of 6000 USD was indicative, after we moved production to Ukraine, the price changed slightly. In retail, it will cost about 7000 EUR.
Charging power is 3.6 kW, not 6 kW.
In fact, how did we manage to invest in this price (This price is also beneficial for us) - Zero motorcycle uses a lot of expensive plastic molds, as well as expensive components + a lot of resources are spent on marketing, publications and other promotions, and of course the staff who have good salaries. All this affects the price very much.
We tried to make the bike easier, we were at an exhibition in Milan - and gathered crowds of satisfied spectators who liked both the design and the overall picture.

We wanted to create something powerful and good for people who dream but cannot afford something expensive. Everyone should have the right and opportunity to enjoy good things.

Also, if you place an order through Indiegogo, the special cost for each person will be 5500 EUR when ordering 1 unit.

For the charger I was going off the 100 minutes to 100% stated on your website, which would require roughly 6kW for a 10kW/h battery. With a 3.6kW charger that's going to be roughly 3 hours (2.7 hours at constant power but of course it will taper off at the end) so not even the 2 hours stated in your original post. Still quite good though and better than what Zero can manage in their base level bikes.

I still feel like €7000 (nearly $8k) is highly optimistic though. While Zero does use some more expensive higher end components (suspension and brakes mainly) your bike doesn't look much cheaper in comparison, you've still got unique body panels and frame and all those metal plates and the motor and battery are still going to have a significant cost. On top of that I'm guessing you don't have the same economy of scale that Zero does. Where is the bike manufactured and assembled?

Regarding the charge speed, if you look at simple math, then you are right, the charge will take no more than 3 hours. But let's be honest, how often do you put the battery at 0 so that you have to roll it on foot? I'm sure something still remains, therefore, purely theoretically, you can count on 2.5 hours + -, and of course we tried to freeze it so that it could be charged in all possible ways, including car charging stations.

Everything is assembled and produced in Ukraine. Only some spare parts that (so far) cannot be produced in Ukraine, we bring from China. These are lighting, suspension and control panels. Everything else is made here, including the battery, which is welded with a laser
The frame, the skin, it's all made in Ukraine. Although the controller is made in China, it is according to our drawings according to our requests, so we have access to the firmware, our own CAN protocol developed by our engineers, and an almost completed on-board computer, which we hope to have time to install in mass production, which will service remote access, a large color screen, which will have an application on the phone, and a map, and much more, including alarms, GPS, etc., but so far I could not say whether it will be in this series, or in the next modifications. Still in development.

After all the news that has been lately, we have decided to move all production to Ukraine, firstly, because it will be done under our control, + there is no need to share developments with the Chinese, who love to steal ideas.

Let's be honest, we are very worried about Russia, which walks around our territory in its own way ... We hope that everything will be fine, otherwise the project may not start due to the fact that we may become abruptly not up to motorcycles:(

[TheRan]

I totally understand that in reality no one would be charging from 0%, it's just standard practice to give the 0-100% charge time and if you're talking about a shorter charge it needs to be clarified. For example your site says 100% - 100 minutes which implies 0-100%, and then 80% - 60 minutes would mean 0-80%. Like wise your original post said a full charge in 1.5-2 hours, I know that English won't be your first language but to me I would take "full charge" to mean 0-100%. What you really meant is charging "to full", from say 20% for example.

It's good that the majority of production is happening in Ukraine, I assumed so and that's part of what makes me think costs will be higher but I'll admit I have no idea how much more expensive it would be compared to having it all made in China.

[AlexDeor]

I totally understand that in reality no one would be charging from 0%, it's just standard practice to give the 0-100% charge time and if you're talking about a shorter charge it needs to be clarified. For example your site says 100% - 100 minutes which implies 0-100%, and then 80% - 60 minutes would mean 0-80%. Like wise your original post said a full charge in 1.5-2 hours, I know that English won't be your first language but to me I would take "full charge" to mean 0-100%. What you really meant is charging "to full", from say 20% for example.

It's good that the majority of production is happening in Ukraine, I assumed so and that's part of what makes me think costs will be higher but I'll admit I have no idea how much more expensive it would be compared to having it all made in China.

We have already calculated all production, the price is final. It is planned not to exceed 8,000 USD for retail worldwide.

This is not the only cash project, but we hope that people will like our products. We'll fix it by charging, thank you.

[Richard230]

It is great to see an electric motorcycle being produced in Ukraine and not China. I wish you the best outcome to your venture.

But as you likely already know, designing and building any vehicle is easy compared with setting up a manufacturing plant, retail outlets, distribution and parts supply network, servicing schools, getting government type approvals and other similar things that need to eventually be accomplished to grow and establish a vehicle manufacturing business that can actually make a profit in the long run are the really tough things to do.  Designing the vehicle is the easy part of the job. 

[AlexDeor]

It is great to see an electric motorcycle being produced in Ukraine and not China. I wish you the best outcome to your venture.

But as you likely already know, designing and building any vehicle is easy compared with setting up a manufacturing plant, retail outlets, distribution and parts supply network, servicing schools, getting government type approvals and other similar things that need to eventually be accomplished to grow and establish a vehicle manufacturing business that can actually make a profit in the long run are the really tough things to do.  Designing the vehicle is the easy part of the job. 

Tricky question about "the easiest job".
See how you approach the issue. Product development is just the most difficult stage.
All formalities in the form of technical documentation, certification and other issues (if funds are available) are not a matter of complexity, but of time and teamwork.

Developing, producing, launching a product is the most difficult part of the whole process, unless of course we are talking about a product that is not on the market in the form of a ready-made solution.
Hang a motor-wheel, put a Kelly controller, anyone can make a battery with a soldering iron in any garage, make a sample in the form of some KTM on gasoline and hang electronics bought in China on it, you don’t need a lot of work for this, there are already all the instructions, forums. This is all a constructor for one-off products that are assembled in the garage.
Launching the production of a certified product into a series is the most difficult process. It includes:
- Retrofitting of the production site
- Providing staff with equipment and salaries
- Compliance with safety standards
In fact, we can go on here for a very long time, because all this requires time, resources and people.
On average, the development of a model, the launch of a prototype takes about 2 years. This is 2 years of hard work, including a sea of ?mistakes, salaries of people, sleepless nights, nerves and much more.

In February we are sending the motorcycle to Italy for certification (Homologation, CoC, EEC).
At the same time, technical documentation, instructions and other formalities are being created.

In our case, there were a lot of developments in this motorcycle, starting from a new frame, ending with the development of our own CAN protocol, our own controller firmware, the development of an on-board computer, display, and control logic. When you enter a serious market, where your competitors are such giants as Super Soco, Horwin, perhaps even the entry-level ZERO MOTORCYCLES, you must stand out or be at least on a level with them. This is a serious question and approach.

And if we are talking about a network, support, and so on - for this there are dealers who have their own service centers (or partner ones), have their own permits and certificates, these issues have already been resolved.

Thank you for your comment!

[Richard230]

My comments come from my experience with the first electric motorcycle that I bought in 2009. It was a Electric Motorsport GPR-S, bolted together in Oakland, California. It was an interesting and easy to assemble design that used a chassis made by Tiger in Thailand, which arrived at their "factory" fully assembled, including battery boxes. EMS was an electronics supply company and had a lot of parts on their shelves. They had a small team of workers who attached an electric motor, installed 20 or 24 Chinese-made High Power brand lithium block batteries, added an off-the-shelf fork lift controller and a locally manufactured BMS on an open circuit board to the chassis. The bikes sold for $8,300 USD. Top speed was around 65 mph and the range was about 20 miles on the highway or 40 miles at 30 mph - when the batteries were new.

It all worked pretty well for a while, but did have a few weak links. Such as the batteries couldn't handle the motor's electric power demands and would start dying after a short while. Sometimes the BMS or charging system would overload and fail and when you went back to the company they didn't really want to deal with warranty issues - especially when their DMV retail permit expired and they forgot to renew it. Finally, they changed their brand name to Native and started selling their bikes out of small electric bicycle retailers. But the warranty complaints continued, which they tossed back to their retailers. As the warranty work continued to pile up, the retail outlets were overwhelmed and the shop that I dealt with went out of business during the fall of 2010. Not long after that, the brand faded away and the company went back to selling electronic parts.

It really wasn't a bad design for the times, but the battery selection was completely wrong and the EMS just didn't seem to have the necessary knowledgeable vehicle marketing staff and engineers. Plus they appeared unwilling to invest sufficient funds in their company to continue development of their motorcycles and to back up their retail outlets. If they had stuck with it, developed a better product and actually established a good marketing system, they might still be in business today. But they didn't.  (I don't believe that they were ever able to sign up an established motorcycle shop as a retail outlet. They dealt with small mom-and-pop brick and mortar shops.)

While this story has nothing to do with your company, or with the current state of the two-wheel EV market, I just thought I would mention my early experience with the electric motorcycle industry as a consumer. My first GPR-S lasted 300 miles before the charger caught on fire in my garage. Then I bought a 2010 model with a golf cart brushed motor and on that one the batteries started puffing up at 1300 miles. Fortunately, Zero arrived on the scene at my local Japanese-brand motorcycle shop and i ended up buying a 2012 Zero, which was a huge improvement over the EMS models. I have stuck with Zero ever since and have been satisfied with their products.

Anyway, from a customer's perspective, product support and customer service are the things that we really appreciate.

Attached is a photo of my first 2009 GPR-S.

[Richard230]

And here is a photo of my 2010 as a friend and I try to get it running again. Just a little piece of electric motorcycle history.

As an EV enthusiast, over the past 13 years I have bought 5 electric motorcycles, two GPR-S bikes and three Zeros, a 2012, a 2014 and a 2018, all with the largest battery packs available. All of the Zero's were fully and enthusiastically supported by two local multi-brand motorcycle dealers.