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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2022, 04:07:56 AM »

Yeah the industry seems to be headed for left hand rear brake set ups.
They say it just gives much more modulation.
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2022, 04:11:10 AM »

It really does! Waiting for a kit for the SR/F to resurface. Er, and a job.

Cas :)
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2022, 04:17:08 AM »

It really does! Waiting for a kit for the SR/F to resurface. Er, and a job.

Cas :)

I wonder if there is a US DOT regulation for highway-legal motorcycles that requires a hand clutch and a foot-operated brake? I have seen left hand brakes on small scooter, but I can't recall seeing such a thing on large scooters or any motorcycles.  ???
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2022, 04:53:50 AM »

That's how it was on my TMax and X-Adv. Proper motorbikes, those.

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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2022, 05:37:06 AM »

I highly doubt there's any regulation for it. Most of the time it's done because that's how gas bikes are (except for scooters that don't have a clutch, because a foot brake isn't as easy to implement on them). Even the ones that don't have a clutch like Honda's DCT bikes still have a foot brake. Also being able to brake with the foot is useful, for example if you're stopped on an incline but need to use your hands for something else or just want to keep your brake light on at a traffic light or junction. If I ever get around to fitting a hand rear brake to my bike I'd like to add a splitter so I can keep the foot lever as well.
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2022, 08:59:53 AM »

I never once missed the footbrake on either of the maxi scoots. I bet you wouldn't miss it either.

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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2022, 04:35:34 PM »

I would, as I said I use it for both of those reasons. In fact those are the only times I used it on the road unless it's a country lane covered in crap where the front wheel could slide. Where I do use the rear brake most is off road and that's the reason I want the hand brake, because the foot lever is in an awkward position and it would be nice to be able to brake as well as get my right foot off the peg if needed.
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2022, 04:33:51 PM »

There are some pretty credible folks involved in the projuct. $$$ too. The wait kist has grown rapidly.
Dudes with deposits.  https://electricdirtriders.com/forums/stark-varg-discussion.92/
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2022, 10:03:09 PM »

Here is a video and a "podcast"  I came across lately.

The video minutes 3 to 6 shed some light on the Alta saga.  Perhaps even somewhat transferable to the Damon project as some folks went there and apparently some went towards this Stark.  As pertains to intent of being bought off or doing IPO.

The Podcast one seems to say the guy being interviewed has sold off his position in the european equivelant of Rocky Mountain MC/ATV parts company.

If anyone can figure how the cells can be in contact with the magnesium enclosure and get in series to get to high voltages, please explain.


https://racerxonline.com/2022/02/03/fly-racing-racer-x-podcast-anton-wass
« Last Edit: February 05, 2022, 10:06:41 PM by Fran K »
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2022, 07:35:13 AM »

Here is a video and a "podcast"  I came across lately.

If anyone can figure how the cells can be in contact with the magnesium enclosure and get in series to get to high voltages, please explain.

Thanks for the link to the video.

Based on the below video it looks like they are planning on having the negative sides of the cells slip into pockets machined in the case. I suspect they will have some sort of isolation between the case and the negative terminals of the cells. Without that there would be no way to have cells in series. Plus the idea of having the battery cases HV- would be a terrible idea. That said as the entire sidewall of a cylindrical cell is the negative terminal they would need to insulate between the cells and the case. Sadly insulation is the enemy of heat transfer.
https://youtu.be/eGhaZDUKzdI?t=42
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2022, 09:52:02 PM »

That makes sense.  At 40 seconds the wording is "connects every cell directly to the casing"  same in the closed caption print out on screen.
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2022, 04:31:30 AM »

They are paying for targeted ads on youtube.  They (add presentation computations) have got me figured out.  I put a cropped screen shot to prove it.
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2022, 06:46:57 PM »

Here is a review by Revzilla of the Stark VARG electric motocross model that was recently introduced to the press:  https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/stark-varg-electric-motocross-first-ride
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Re: Stark VARG
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2022, 11:44:03 PM »

Here is another impression from the same trip to Spain with the ice similar bikes to ride around for comparison.  I have only listened to 2/3 of the podcast so far.

https://racerxonline.com/2022/06/10/fly-racing-racer-x-podcast-stark-varg-with-jason-thomas

My thoughts so far is that the traction control aspect is not discussed.  As I have stated prior this may be why the major players are shy about getting into battery motorcycles, off road. They want to turn it down or add flywheel.  This thing is likely dangerous,  maybe significantly more so than an ice 450.  Looking at lap times for Supercross top 250 guy would have times like 5th place in the 450.  Same for off road like GNCC when looking at overall time for an approximately 3 hour race premier class vs light class whatever that involves.

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