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[GrantMeStrength]

Tesla trained me for this moment, and I feel a little better if I can believe that the extra range / charging speed is at the expense of the longevity of the battery and charger, so you are effectively paying for a warranty.

The step-by-step navigation will be something I will buy immediately, although obviously a map would be better (maybe a conscious design decision to make a less distracting display?).


 

[NervEasy]

Auriga still no news on fixes for V19 issues? New pack is showing the same problems now….

[Fred]

We can only hope that some v19 bug fixes have been rolled into the v20 that supports Cypher3+. If I'm being charitable I can imagine the reason the v19 bugs weren't fixed sooner is that everyone was busy working on this big update and it would have taken time to do them separately.

[Fred]

Personally, I would prefer that the navigation supported Android Auto / Google Maps (and whetever the Apple equivalent is) but from the limited info it seems likely it's their own solution. Also, at that price I'd be more inclined to just buy a decent phone mount like Quadlock - with the added benefit I could switch between bikes.

[princec]

Here's the big question... will my 2020 SR/F be upgradeable to Cypber III+? Will it be OTA? Will it be automatic? Will I be able to access the 10% charge boost and range boost features?

Cas

[Fred]

You get to select a model on this page and it shows available upgrades. the 2020 SR/F is listed, so I'd say all those features will be available. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be an OTA upgrade - although it might not be until "early Spring 2022".
https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/en-gb/cypherstore

[princec]

Aww rats, no extended range for me then. Still, it was good enough when I bought it, it's still good enough now. Quite interested in +10% charging speed tho.

Cas

[stevenh]

I think the only one of the upgrades I may pony up $$$ for would be the turn by turn navigation on the dash (on my 2020 SRF).  I hate having to deal with a separate GPS or Phone when there is a perfectly good screen there (and a built in GPS).  I've managed without reverse so far without any real issues, and range and charging is OK for my needs.  Bummer is it looks like that's a dealer upgrade (navigation, kind of a long drive to my dealer).

Steve

[slant911]

Here's the big question... will my 2020 SR/F be upgradeable to Cypber III+? Will it be OTA? Will it be automatic? Will I be able to access the 10% charge boost and range boost features?

Cas

I think some are OTA but others you have to visit a dealer.

[mdjak1]

Zero should have gone the same route Honda did on their high end bikes;  Apple Carplay and Android Auto via bluetooth.   No reason to come up with some oddball proprietary system for navigation when everyone carries a phone that is capable of this. 

[Curt]

Absolutely, Android Auto and Carplay. They turn the display into a terminal, allowing one to use Google Maps, Waze, music apps and a growing list of others, all familiar, future-proofed, updated continuously and royalty-free. A proprietary map system is an obvious misstep.

[Auriga]

Absolutely, Android Auto and Carplay. They turn the display into a terminal, allowing one to use Google Maps, Waze, music apps and a growing list of others, all familiar, future-proofed, updated continuously and royalty-free. A proprietary map system is an obvious misstep.

Agree, that would have been nice. It's a dealer install because you need FW upgrades for things owners can't do. If it's a new bike, they've already done it.

[UlsterZero]

Personally, I think this whole approach is just the start of moving to a dealer-less selling model, like Tesla.  Just order your bike online and it'll be delivered direct.

Having the majority of optional features already installed, but not activated means they don't have to hold stock of every possible variation, just a few common models which will automatically activate their selected configuration upon delivery.

I've got to assume this is where they're heading, cutting the dealerships out of the lucrative accessories market will do doubt increase their profit margins, but is likely to alienate those same dealerships.  They will surely have already anticipated that they may well loose some dealers due to this, but if they are ultimately moving to direct sales, it's not going to concern them in the long run...

Ulster Zero

[mdjak1]

Cutting dealers and thus service departments out would be a mistake in my opinion.   These bikes are not reliable enough and too expensive to just send out into customer's hands and expect them to be able to diagnose and fix their own problems.  A $3500 Sur-Ron is one thing.  An $11,000 FX is totally different. 

[GrantMeStrength]

Bout ye. You might be right, but Tesla has an excellent support network in which they have invested heavily. They'll turn up at your door and rotate your tires for you. I can't imagine Zero *ever* having those kind of resources. So maybe you can point-click-buy and a bike will appear in your driveway a few days later, but for servicing you'll still need a Zero-friendly local dealer.

In my experience when buying a new Zero, my local dealership was the very, very worst at sales. When it comes to servicing however they are fine, so that would work out great for me.

Personally, I think this whole approach is just the start of moving to a dealer-less selling model, like Tesla.  Just order your bike online and it'll be delivered direct.

Having the majority of optional features already installed, but not activated means they don't have to hold stock of every possible variation, just a few common models which will automatically activate their selected configuration upon delivery.

I've got to assume this is where they're heading, cutting the dealerships out of the lucrative accessories market will do doubt increase their profit margins, but is likely to alienate those same dealerships.  They will surely have already anticipated that they may well loose some dealers due to this, but if they are ultimately moving to direct sales, it's not going to concern them in the long run...

Ulster Zero