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[enaef]

Cypher III+ - What the heck ...

https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/cypherstore

So - it has come true, what I expected: I was asking myself, if the strange things with charging since FW 19 somehow have to do with the development of a new battery. Well, seems not completely what it is now, but a new development certainly.

[Fred]

I'm glad to see that on-dash navigation is now available - but not that it's a chargeable extra. The manufacturer Facomsa supports features like this and it was frustrating that Zero hadn't made this sort of leap. I'm also glad to see they're the first manufacturer to do this (as far as I'm aware) too. The similar dash on my Ducati Hypermotard could be capable of this too.

[enaef]

I'm very happy about the new parkmode ...

[enaef]

June 30th I wrote this:

[...]
It's quite a while I'm asking me what the reason could be for this worsening of SoC calculation.
I'm not a technician / engineer at all and it may be farfetched. However:
I have read several times, that customers would expect a battery upgrade of some sort, since it is some time since the last.
WHAT IF there is such a upgrade under way and Zero tries to adapt the FW in a way it will work for coming batteries and the ones in use at the moment (14.4 kWh)?
Pure speculation ....

[victor6.7y]

This all feels wrong. I wonder if their engineers are proud of this..

I sort of get the software / park assist, navigation, upgrades that you have to pay for..

But a range upgrade... That feels like saying; Hey you bought this hardware, but we do not let you use it unless you pay extra.
For the ZFORCE 14.4+ to have an range extension of 20%..... It feels as if their trick is to use their battery limiter. Maybe in some cases have the battery voltage to drop a bit lower before it says 0%. Or change the maximum torque.
Or the battery has simply more power than 14.4Kwh and they simply do not let you use it. Than it maybe is a way to sell a more expensive bike,,, for a lower price?
My first guest would say that they are playing with some software limits… We will probably know when the manual’s come out.

[valnar]

So now Zero has microtransactions?  Sigh.

[princec]

These are not things Tesla would charge for.

Cas

[Electric_Adventures]

Actually Tesla does have a charge to get a “parking mode” AND they do charge for “enhanced navigation” as well.  There is a $10,000 package that is now the only way to get a parking assistant on their car and in order to get additional supercharger info as well as live traffic data, you have to pay $10/month.  Tesla also has a $300 fee to enable the already existing heated rear seats in their standard models.  BMW also has begun to support these as have other manufacturers.

[victor6.7y]

It would make sense to charge for it if they still cover waranty even after pushing the hardware over the "long life limit"...

[tynxt]

This all feels wrong. I wonder if their engineers are proud of this..

I've had narrow eyes at the connectivity of the SR/* bikes since they came out, and now I know Zero's headed in the wrong direction for me. *sigh* I'll love the cypher II innocence while it lasts. I want no part of software unlocks or internet connected motorcycles, to be honest.

[valnar]

Tesla also has a $300 fee to enable the already existing heated rear seats in their standard models.

Unlocking software upgrades I understand (even though I don't like them), but I don't understand these kinds of updates.  Tesla already had to pay for those heaters and not everyone will activate that feature.  So that means one of two things:

• Tesla is losing money for every car that doesn't get activated
• Tesla already passed the charge along to all buyers, whether activated or not

I think we all know which one it is.  That makes it all the more maddening that a Tesla buyer essentially already paid for it but doesn't get to use it.

If battery capacity is the same way on the new Zero's, that will make me look elsewhere.  Now I'm rooting for the Japanese Four.  I'll ride out my FXS until it dies then thoroughly look at the electric landscape on my next purchase.

[Electric_Adventures]

Consider also that by law of scales it is less expensive overall for Tesla to manufacture all seats with heaters and more importantly for them FASTER to do it as well.  There are reasons that they decided to go the route they did and the same is true for Zero.  Streamlining the production of the SRS and SRF along with the SR to have one battery, one control system, one charging architecture and two frames is a big deal for manufacturing.  It’s also convenient that they can offer different price points vs offer all three of these bikes for a new $25k price tag. 

[princec]

I stand corrected! I just noted that my friend's Model S got all sorts of cool updates over the years that didn't cost him anything. Maybe that was an early adopter thing though (he has lifetime free supercharging too etc).

Even so...

Suckage.

Cas

[herculeesjr]

All I can say is someone figured out how to bypass the Tesla "Range Upgrade" in-app purchase with a quick hack, so I can't wait to see the same thing happen to Zero.
App upgrades for software functionality like GPS, fine. But if I pay for the hardware already there and capable like heated grips and extended range then I'm going to use it, no additional cost to me.

[Auriga]

I can provide a bit more detail.

FW v19 has nothing to do with the announcement. There are no FW range reductions on existing bikes.
The 22MY is a new battery and premium bikes get a boost for the same price.
The SR is now based on the FST platform, and costs less. With the exception of charging, it can be upgraded to the performance of an SRF for roughly the price differential between the two models.
Zero has allowed owners to eat a bit into the buffer on the new battery at the cost of longevity on repeated use and charge for increased warranty cost(warranty is the same as before regardless of this feature)
There is a new charger, which operates on the same principle as the battery. Charge rate can be increased at the cost of slightly increased wear(no warranty change)
Older bikes can increase charging slightly due to performance testing and improvements, at the cost of slightly increased wear.
Other things like On Dash Nav and Parking mode require a dealer trip to update FW, but are available.

Now there are software differences between an SR, standard SRS and premium SRS. Zero probably saves money on sourcing and manufacturing,. Not in love with the concept, but I wonder if people would be as upset if they didn't offer the ability to upgrade but used the same hardware.